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Old 10-27-2019, 09:28 AM
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Glorified Flesh?

Would like to know what others believe as far as Jesus’ body? Is it the same flesh yet glorified in the heavens? Did he go back to the spirit form he was before robing himself in flesh?
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Old 10-27-2019, 02:49 PM
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Re: Glorified Flesh?

1 Corinthians 15:35-45 ESV

The Resurrection Body

35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;[a] the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
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Jesus resurrected in an immortal physical body that Paul called spiritual., Spiritual means supernatural. His resurrected body was quite supernatural. It was not alive by nature's life, or natural life. It was alive by Spirit.

Romans 6:9 says that his resurrection made it so that death has no more dominion over him. That can only refer to his body, since death His affected his body beforehand, but resurrection of the body renders death ineffective.

He never was said to lose that body in His ascension.

Paul said there is a spiritual body and there is a natural body. Jesus' body from the grave is spiritual. Spiritual does not mean non-physical, because the water and manna in 1 Cor 10 were called spiritual meat and drink, but very physical. Same book 5 chapters before 15.

Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Why have a body raised that death has no more power over, and then abandon it? Why even rise from the dead with a body that death no longer can kill, only to abandon it?

He has a body and we shall see it when he comes again!
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Jesus resurrected in an immortal physical body that Paul called spiritual., Spiritual means supernatural. His resurrected body was quite supernatural. It was not alive by nature's life, or natural life. It was alive by Spirit.

Romans 6:9 says that his resurrection made it so that death has no more dominion over him. That can only refer to his body, since death His affected his body beforehand, but resurrection of the body renders death ineffective.

He never was said to lose that body in His ascension.

Paul said there is a spiritual body and there is a natural body. Jesus' body from the grave is spiritual. Spiritual does not mean non-physical, because the water and manna in 1 Cor 10 were called spiritual meat and drink, but very physical. Same book 5 chapters before 15.

Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Why have a body raised that death has no more power over, and then abandon it? Why even rise from the dead with a body that death no longer can kill, only to abandon it?

He has a body and we shall see it when he comes again!
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Not.
Forgive me if this rather terse response does not convince me I am wrong. I gave biblical reasoning.
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Forgive me if this rather terse response does not convince me I am wrong. I gave biblical reasoning.
Ok, that tickles my funny bone. Not going to get more into it, prayer service has started, but NOT.
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Ok, that tickles my funny bone. Not going to get more into it, prayer service has started, but NOT.
I did not think you could respond biblically with scripture to the scriptural reasoning I provided. And I am expecting you unable to also respond biblically to my previous use of scripture with your own use of it, without just saying NOT.
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My, what big exegesis you have, Grandma!
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My, what big exegesis you have, Grandma!
You are welcome sis.....

You are like Mike.

You need the physical body because to you everything is physical.

Physical sabbath, laws for the physical, ie not eating pork and etc....

You guys are living in the OT.

The moment that you realize that the NT is spiritual then you lose the physical necessity. That is your problem.

Hows that auntie.... or is it niece.

You want to call names little woman?
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You need the physical body because to you everything is physical.

Physical sabbath, laws for the physical, ie not eating pork and etc....

You guys are living in the OT.

The moment that you realize that the NT is spiritual then you lose the physical necessity.
That is your problem.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
(Romans 8:1-8)

According to TJ's heresy, to be subject to the law of God is to be physical or "carnal", and "stuck in the OT". To be "spiritual" is, according to him, to be free from such pesky things as the commandments of God.

But according to the New Testament, not being subject to the law of God is to be carnal, "in the flesh", and such people CANNOT please God. Whereas those who are spiritual and NOT carnal are those in whom the righteousness of the law is fulfilled, who do not walk according to the flesh (in disobedience to the law of God). Thus, those who refuse to submit to the law of God are carnal and in the flesh and cannot please God. Regardless of how much they pretend they are "spiritual" and above the rest of us simple minded folk who just want to do what God says to do.
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