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08-21-2019, 08:32 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
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He commanded His disciples to be armed ( Luke 22:36).
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08-21-2019, 06:56 PM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
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Pastors being shot while preaching in pulpit, because they had a lack of faith, or lack of verbal command backed by faith....
Uhhh OK.
You can let his children know if he’d have had more faith, or been a little faster at invoking the name of Jesus, he would still be alive. That way they’ll have an understanding.
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Exactly. I doubt the pacifists whining about a church taking steps to protect the congregation would stand by and just pray for protection while somebody attacked one of their children or raped their wife. They would be trying to protect their family the best way they could. OF course being pacifist they most likely would not have any weapons on their home so would be slap out of luck.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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08-22-2019, 08:35 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
At my Church an intruder with a gun would be faced with several men with guns and at least one woman with a gun. We be like "hey, you got three seconds to say your prayers, get baptized in Jesus' name and get the Holy Ghost or we're gona open fire". And if we're feeling up to it, after the shoot out we may raise him back to life again.
It's just a joke guys...
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08-22-2019, 08:41 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
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At my Church an intruder with a gun would be faced with several men with guns and at least one woman with a gun. We be like "hey, you got three seconds to say your prayers, get baptized in Jesus' name and get the Holy Ghost or we're gona open fire". And if we're feeling up to it, after the shoot out we may raise him back to life again.
It's just a joke guys...
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08-22-2019, 08:50 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
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Originally Posted by CC1
Exactly. I doubt the pacifists whining about a church taking steps to protect the congregation would stand by and just pray for protection while somebody attacked one of their children or raped their wife. They would be trying to protect their family the best way they could. OF course being pacifist they most likely would not have any weapons on their home so would be slap out of luck.
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CC1, ever dealt with any of this situations? Do you hail from Wakanda? Anyway, to be deadly serious, men have had their children attacked (they couldn't do a thing about ) men have had their wives assaulted in front of them. Do you carry a gun 24/7? Are you trained in hand to hand combat? All different situations with armed men, unarmed men. Men who were trained fighters, who were just over powered. Whose "children" and "wives" were captured first, and held at gunpoint, or worse. Passive behavior in the Bible is about the individual, and how he "singular" should behave. Jokers who bring up the assaulted wife scenario never got into that sort of situation. Or never, ever, knew anyone who has. Bro, it is a ugly world out there, people get outnumbered, people get overpowered. Are you a sound sleeper? Ever got awakened with someone standing over you with a shotgun in your face? A guy answers his door and gets a bullet in his head, the two dudes then started killing everyone in the house to remove witnesses. The guy who was assassinated in his doorway was a pretty formidable hombre. Went to the door with a loaded gun. But he didn't get the first shot off. Yes, yes, yes, gun owners get killed. Pacifist (Christain) have been known to have GOD protect them. In all sorts of crazy situations.
Old sister in her 90s had some creeps enter her home at 5 AM and they started trashing the place. She sat at the kitchen table with her Bible. When they couldn't find anything that they deemed of value they wanted to smack her around until she was ready to remember where she hid her money. Which she didn't have much, they had already found that, but they were getting frustrated and upset, so it was time to get physical. The sister was praying all the time the cowards were ransacking her place. Her cats were trying to find shelter. When one of the creeps cracked the animal across the room with a broom he had found. The sister screamed out PLEASE JESUS HELP! At that moment her microwave blew up, and the ceiling fan light burst over their heads. At that, they ran like the devil was after them. As they were fleeing the scene two cruisers met them.
Not saying that this will be assured to one and all who pray. Same goes for Dirty Harry theology. But I would NEVER mock a congregation going to prayer.
Anyway, I'm in house churches so we don't have walk ins just be bopping in.
Hey, CC1 are they lock n loaded where you go to ecclesiastically sit?
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08-22-2019, 08:52 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
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Stop the guy using the sword, and glue the victim's ear back on?
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08-22-2019, 09:31 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
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CC1, ever dealt with any of this situations? Do you hail from Wakanda? Anyway, to be deadly serious, men have had their children attacked (they couldn't do a thing about ) men have had their wives assaulted in front of them. Do you carry a gun 24/7? Are you trained in hand to hand combat? All different situations with armed men, unarmed men. Men who were trained fighters, who were just over powered. Whose "children" and "wives" were captured first, and held at gunpoint, or worse. Passive behavior in the Bible is about the individual, and how he "singular" should behave. Jokers who bring up the assaulted wife scenario never got into that sort of situation. Or never, ever, knew anyone who has. Bro, it is a ugly world out there, people get outnumbered, people get overpowered. Are you a sound sleeper? Ever got awakened with someone standing over you with a shotgun in your face? A guy answers his door and gets a bullet in his head, the two dudes then started killing everyone in the house to remove witnesses. The guy who was assassinated in his doorway was a pretty formidable hombre. Went to the door with a loaded gun. But he didn't get the first shot off. Yes, yes, yes, gun owners get killed. Pacifist (Christain) have been known to have GOD protect them. In all sorts of crazy situations.
Old sister in her 90s had some creeps enter her home at 5 AM and they started trashing the place. She sat at the kitchen table with her Bible. When they couldn't find anything that they deemed of value they wanted to smack her around until she was ready to remember where she hid her money. Which she didn't have much, they had already found that, but they were getting frustrated and upset, so it was time to get physical. The sister was praying all the time the cowards were ransacking her place. Her cats were trying to find shelter. When one of the creeps cracked the animal across the room with a broom he had found. The sister screamed out PLEASE JESUS HELP! At that moment her microwave blew up, and the ceiling fan light burst over their heads. At that, they ran like the devil was after them. As they were fleeing the scene two cruisers met them.
Not saying that this will be assured to one and all who pray. Same goes for Dirty Harry theology. But I would NEVER mock a congregation going to prayer.
Anyway, I'm in house churches so we don't have walk ins just be bopping in.
Hey, CC1 are they lock n loaded where you go to ecclesiastically sit?
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I have heard and seen God doing things like this .
Regardless, What do you think persecution looks like anyways? Do you really think you can stop and prevent persecution for his name sake if it is meant to be in your church? (Rhetorical question, not directed to you EB)
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08-22-2019, 09:35 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
And the carnality in the church marches on....
And they wonder why the Spirit of God moved out. It does seem that when fear moves in God moves out.
Hope everything works out for you guys...
Just saying.
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08-22-2019, 09:50 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
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Originally Posted by coksiw
I have heard and seen God doing things like this .
Regardless, What do you think persecution looks like anyways? Do you really think you can stop and prevent persecution for his name sake if it is meant to be in your church? (Rhetorical question, not directed to you EB)
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Persecution looks like this....
CC1, hurry, whip out your Daisy Powerline 880! Aim for their lips!!!
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08-22-2019, 11:16 AM
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Re: "Churches arm, train congregants"
In the USA, persecution is looking like economic oppression from the govt and corporations against those that won’t compromise. And violence from terrorists and haters in the community.
Last edited by coksiw; 08-22-2019 at 12:09 PM.
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