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Re: Please Help Me With A Scripture

Jesus said He (Himself) only speaks what He hears from the Father (John 7:16-18, John 8:38, John 12:49). This was said to emphasize He wasn't doing His own, personal thing, but was doing the will of God, teaching the Truth of God. The same is said of the Spirit (not speaking on His own authority, but speaking what He hears), and the meaning is the same: just as Jesus wasn't some guy promoting himself, but was simply the Messenger of God's truth, the Spirit won't be some spirit promoting itself, but would be the Messenger of God. Furthermore, the Spirit would be identifiable by its conformity to Christ and His doctrine.
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Jesus said He (Himself) only speaks what He hears from the Father (John 7:16-18, John 8:38, John 12:49). This was said to emphasize He wasn't doing His own, personal thing, but was doing the will of God, teaching the Truth of God. The same is said of the Spirit (not speaking on His own authority, but speaking what He hears), and the meaning is the same: just as Jesus wasn't some guy promoting himself, but was simply the Messenger of God's truth, the Spirit won't be some spirit promoting itself, but would be the Messenger of God. Furthermore, the Spirit would be identifiable by its conformity to Christ and His doctrine.
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Jesus said He (Himself) only speaks what He hears from the Father (John 7:16-18, John 8:38, John 12:49). This was said to emphasize He wasn't doing His own, personal thing, but was doing the will of God, teaching the Truth of God. The same is said of the Spirit (not speaking on His own authority, but speaking what He hears), and the meaning is the same: just as Jesus wasn't some guy promoting himself, but was simply the Messenger of God's truth, the Spirit won't be some spirit promoting itself, but would be the Messenger of God. Furthermore, the Spirit would be identifiable by its conformity to Christ and His doctrine.
This answer is *way* better than anything I was ever going to come up with. Thank you, Esaias.
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Respectfully, you posted thrice and not once attempted to give any input regarding my honest question.


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Hey people are mostly doing something else around this time. It isn't like we have an army of posters. Give your thread some time. If you need an answer fast, ask the elders in your church.
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Jesus said He (Himself) only speaks what He hears from the Father (John 7:16-18, John 8:38, John 12:49). This was said to emphasize He wasn't doing His own, personal thing, but was doing the will of God, teaching the Truth of God. The same is said of the Spirit (not speaking on His own authority, but speaking what He hears), and the meaning is the same: just as Jesus wasn't some guy promoting himself, but was simply the Messenger of God's truth, the Spirit won't be some spirit promoting itself, but would be the Messenger of God. Furthermore, the Spirit would be identifiable by its conformity to Christ and His doctrine.

I will study your response when I get home. I appreciate your help, Esaias.

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Esaias is to be recognized for providing a detailed, direct answer.
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Esaias is to be recognized for providing a detailed, direct answer.
He is definitely recognized
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What about;

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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What about;

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Great scripture. This is one that is often left without an answer by oneness believers for some reason. Obviously trinitarians use this to support their view however this scripture's primary purpose is to identify the Christ, Messiah.

To explain in very simple terms.

Lets look at the "Dove". We can not see the Spirit of God unless it is manifest in some form, but it is said in John 1:33 that "upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him",...
The next verse says "and I saw and bare record that this is the Son of God."
I believe the "dove" was only an identifier for the forerunner, John the Baptist that Jesus was indeed the Christ.
As for the voice from heaven. This too I believe was spoken to John and maybe those around to identify the Christ.
The oneness understanding of this is very simple. God, although he became a man did not stop being the same transcendent God. So as God in his "basic" nature i.e. transcendent, invisible, Spirit could speak concerning His own fleshly manifestation, the man Jesus.

This to me is a very basic understanding of the scriptures you presented. The scripture is not teaching three persons but simply identifying the man Jesus as the Christ they were looking for.
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Great scripture. This is one that is often left without an answer by oneness believers for some reason. Obviously trinitarians use this to support their view however this scripture's primary purpose is to identify the Christ, Messiah.

To explain in very simple terms.

Lets look at the "Dove". We can not see the Spirit of God unless it is manifest in some form, but it is said in John 1:33 that "upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him",...
The next verse says "and I saw and bare record that this is the Son of God."
I believe the "dove" was only an identifier for the forerunner, John the Baptist that Jesus was indeed the Christ.
As for the voice from heaven. This too I believe was spoken to John and maybe those around to identify the Christ.
The oneness understanding of this is very simple. God, although he became a man did not stop being the same transcendent God. So as God in his "basic" nature i.e. transcendent, invisible, Spirit could speak concerning His own fleshly manifestation, the man Jesus.

This to me is a very basic understanding of the scriptures you presented. The scripture is not teaching three persons but simply identifying the man Jesus as the Christ they were looking for.
Yup exactly. Jesus was 100% God yet never ceased to steal be an omnipresent God.
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