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Old 02-13-2018, 07:20 AM
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Re: Question on oneness doctrine?

This thread is very interesting. But, I'll be honest... a lot of this stuff is way over my head.

I'm just a simple American of Scots-Irish heritage. I've been born again of the water and of the spirit for 29+ years. My native tongue is English. I took three years of French back in high school (the girls were prettier than the girls in German or Spanish). I am a master at pig Latin. From my time in the military I picked up enough Russian and enough Arabic to either get me slapped, or beat up in a bar fight. I have no Hebrew roots that I'm aware of.

If I simply call the Lord "Jesus", am I good?
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:05 AM
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I find it interesting that the apostles, in teaching Greek speaking gentiles, never mentioned anything about a Hebrew pronunciation of God's name. Instead they follow the precedent set by the LXX in rendering the Tetragrammaton as "Kurios" (Lord), or else just referred to Theos (the Father). The only name they emphasized was Jesus Christ.

They did carry over Hebrew and Aramaic words and phrases, such as amen, maranatha, and alleluia. But they did not seemed concerned about any correct pronunciation of YHVH as being needful for gentile Christians to know.
Maybe because the name of Jesus is the name above all names (even other names that God has used in the past).
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:07 PM
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I am never ever using anything but Jesus for fear of drifting off into some whacked out Hebrews roots or demonic heresy.
This is a truly far off fear to have. No doubt created by hysteria over the fact that the Messiah was born with a Hebrew name that some appreciate. Some on this
forum teach savagely against that fact. No doubt it would scare one if they only listened to them.

Many people, myself included have called the Lord's name "Yeshua" and even been baptized into it and have never turned to either the law of Moses or the Talmud.

Those who speak evil of the name Jesus and attempt to either force the law of Moses or the Talmud especially are very much a minority worldwide compared to those who simply call the Messiah by the name he was given. Not saying they dont exist but they are the minority.

Its like Trins saying they would never be baptized in Jesus name because they might be approached by Apostolic Jesus Onlys to handle snakes.

We know there are certain sub groups who are Oneness that DO this practice. So do the Trins have a good point? Steer clear of Jesus only because they are a bunch of snake handlers?

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Old 02-13-2018, 01:43 PM
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Re: Question on oneness doctrine?

thought this was interesting.

Language, Name/variant

Afrikaans Jesus
Albanian Jezusi
Arabic `Isŕ عيسى (Islamic or classical arabic) / Yasū` يسوع (Christian or latter Arabic)
Amharic ኢየሱስ
Aragonese Chesús
Aramaic/Syriac ܝܫܘܥ (Isho)
Arberesh Isuthi
Armenian Հիսուս (Eastern Armenian) Յիսուս (Western Armenian) (Hisus)
Azerbaijani İsa
Belarusian Ісус (Isus) (Orthodox) / Езус (Yezus) (Catholic)
Bengali যীশু (Jeeshu/Zeeshu) (Christian) 'ঈসা ('Eesa) (Islamic)
Breton Jezuz
Catalan Jesús
Chinese simplified Chinese: 耶稣; traditional Chinese: 耶穌; pinyin: Yēsū
Cornish Yesu
Croatian Isus
Czech Ježíš
Dutch Jezus
Estonian Jeesus
Filipino Jesús (Christian and secular) / Hesús or Hesukristo (religious)
Fijian Jisu
Finnish Jeesus
French Jésus
Galician Xesús
Garo Jisu
Georgian იესო (Ieso)
Ghanaian Yesu
Greek Ιησούς (Iisús modern Greek pronunciation)
Haitian Creole Jezi
Hausa Yesu
Hawaiian Jesu
Hebrew Yeshu ישו (Jewish, secular) / Yeshua יֵשׁוּעַ (Christian)
Hindustani ईसा / عيسى (īsā)
Hmong Daw Yexus
Hungarian Jézus
Icelandic Jesús
Igbo Jisos
Indonesia Yesus (Christian) / Isa (Islamic)
Irish Íosa
Italian Gesů
Japanese イエス (Iesu)/イエズス (Iezusu)(Catholic)/ゼス(zesu) ゼズス(zezusu)(Kirishitan)イイスス(Iisusu)(Eastern Orthodox)
Jinghpaw Yesu
Kazakh Иса (Isa)
Khmer យេស៑ូវ (Yesu)
Kisii Yeso
Korean 예수 (Yesu)
Kurdish Îsa
Latvian Jēzus
Ligurian Gesű
Limburgish Zjezus
Lithuanian Jėzus
Lombard Gesü
Luganda Yesu
मराठी-Marathi येशू - Yeshu
Malayalam ഈശോ (Isho), യേശു (Yeshu)
Mirandese Jasus
Maltese Ġesů
Mongolian Есүс
Neapolitan Gčsů
Norman Jésus
Occitan Jčsus
Piedmontese Gesů
Polish Jezus
Portuguese Jesus
Romanian Isus (almost all) / Iisus (Eastern Orthodox)
Russian Иисус (Iisus)
Sardinian Gesůs
Serbian Isus / Исус
Sicilian Gesů
Sinhala ජේසුස් වහන්සේ - Jesus Wahanse
Scottish Gaelic Ěosa
Slovak Ježiš
Slovenian Jezus
Spanish Jesús
Swahili Yesu
Sylheti যীশু (Zishu) (Christian) 'ঈছা ('Eesa) (Islamic)
Tajik Исо (Iso)
Tamil இயேசு - Yesu
Telugu Yesu
Thai เยซู - "Yesu"
Turkish İsa
Turkmen Isa
Ukrainian Ісус (Isus)
Uzbek Iso
Venetian Jesu
Vietnamese Gięsu
Welsh Iesu
Yoruba Jesu
Zulu uJesu


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)

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Old 02-14-2018, 02:53 AM
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Can anyone help me figure this out. The father/lord is translated in the Old Testament as Yahweh(YHWH). In the New Testament we call messiah yeshua (Jesus). If Jesus is GOD(Yahweh) how does this work with 2 different names?
1 why can't he have 2 different names?
2 Jesus means Yahweh saves
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:55 AM
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Maybe because the name of Jesus is the name above all names (even other names that God has used in the past).
Jews by and large stopped writing or saying the name. To do so in the NT would have been a stumbling block to them
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  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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Old 02-14-2018, 06:33 AM
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Re: Question on oneness doctrine?

[QUOTE=Michael The Disciple;1519858]This is a truly far off fear to have. No doubt created by hysteria over the fact that the Messiah was born with a Hebrew name that some appreciate. Some on this
forum teach savagely against that fact. No doubt it would scare one if they only listened to them.

Many people, myself included have called the Lord's name "Yeshua" and even been baptized into it and have never turned to either the law of Moses or the Talmud./QUOTE]

This is interesting to me. I wonder how many here would have an opinion about this point. If a Jewish person in Israel comes to faith and receives Baptism in "the name of Yeshua", we might expect that to be more than acceptable. But if an English-speaker in the U.S. is Baptized in "the name of Yeshua" (rather than in the name of Jesus), is that acceptable?

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Old 02-14-2018, 06:39 AM
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Re: Question on oneness doctrine?

Given that no one else has ventured to critique the theory I suggested a few posts back, nor offered an alternative theory as to why The Bible reveals two Particular Names for God, I guess the theory is fairly well standard among Apostolic people of various stripes.

So my next point of curiosity is whether the writer of the question in the Original Post is satisfied as well with that answer, or if there are still problems in mind.

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This is interesting to me. I wonder how many here would have an opinion about this point. If a Jewish person in Israel comes to faith and receives Baptism in "the name of Yeshua", we might expect that to be more than acceptable. But if an English-speaker in the U.S. is Baptized in "the name of Yeshua" (rather than in the name of Jesus), is that acceptable?

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I would wonder about the motive. If the motive is a reverence for Hebrew roots, are they are on a slippery slope?
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The motive might be a reverence for the name Peter preached in Acts 4:12 Thats the motive I had when I first was baptized in the name of Jesus.
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