Israel and gentiles on pentecost

[Joelel]

God restored Israel on the day of Pentecost and did he save gentiles on the same day ?,Acts 2:1-11

Acts1:[6] When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
[7] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
[8] But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts.2
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
[5] And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
[6] Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.[7] And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
[8] And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?[9] Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
[10] Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
[11] Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

[37] Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
[40] And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Joelel

God restored Israel on the day of Pentecost and did he save gentiles on the same day ?,Acts 2:1-11

Acts1:[6] When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
[7] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
[8] But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts.2
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
[5] And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
[6] Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.[7] And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
[8] And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?[9] Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
[10] Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
[11] Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

[37] Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
[40] And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls

(Rom 2:28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
(Rom 2:29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[Joelel]

The question was,did God save gentiles on the day of pentecost ? I say he did.

There were about 120 filled with the Holy Ghost on the day of pentecost and they were all Israel blood line(Galilaeans).Then there was 3000 from all these different countries,(GENTILES)along with other Jews, Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
[10] Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
[11] Cretes and Arabians.

These 3000 people from all these different countries seen and did hear the children of Israel filled with the Holy Ghost.Then in Acts 2:37 they ask what shall they do and Peter told them.Verse 41,Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. Were these Gentiles saved (filled with the Holy Ghost) ?

[37] Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
[40] And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls

[mfblume]

No gentiles were saved in Acts 2. They were called "PROSELYTES" from gentile nations, making them JEWS.

This verse proves no gentiles were saved before Acts 10:

After Peter preached to gentiles in Acts 10, we read...

Acts 11:1-4 KJV And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. (2) And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, (3) Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them. (4) But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,

Gentiles did not receive the word until Acts 10, when Peter went into a Gentile's home and preached to them. If Gentiles were saved in Acts 2, then there would be no controversy over Acts 10's events, since the controversy was over Gentiles receiving God's word. They already would have received it in Acts 2, if you're right, and nothing would have been said about Acts 10. The controversy would have been dealt with over Acts 2 instead of Acts 10.

Acts 11:15 KJV And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Peter said here that the Spirit fell on THEM (gentiles in Acts 10) as on US (Jews in Acts 2). he would not have distinguished "THEM" from "US" when he spoke of Acts 10 if that same thing happened in Acts 2. But since he said US AT THE BEGINNING, referring to Acts 2, he is saying ONLY JEWS were saved in Acts 2.

The same idea is mentioned here:

Acts 11:17 KJV Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

God gave THEM (Gentiles) the Spirit in Acts 10, as he did unto "US" in Acts 2. There was no THEM (Gentiles) in Acts 2 that received the Spirit.

Then we read:

Acts 11:18 KJV When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

These words were only spoken after Acts 10. If Gentiles were saved in Acts 2, then they would not have said these words above AFTER Acts 10! they would have been spoken in praise to God for saving gentiles and giving them repentance unto life way back after Acts 2.

[mfblume]

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[Joelel]

I ask the question ? God restored Israel on the day of Pentecost and did he save gentiles on the same day ?

IN acts [41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls

Was these 3000 saved ? It does not say they were filled with the Holy Ghost.These 3000 were from other lands and Jews and proselytes.An proselyte is,G4339
προσήλυτος
prosēlutos
pros-ah‘-loo-tos
From the alternate of 4334 an arriver from a foreign region, that is, (specifically) an acceder (convert) to Judaism (“proselyte”): - proselyte.

Children of Israel and or Jews cannot be proselytes,they all ready practice Judaism.An proselyte is a convert to Judaism,therefor these proselytes were not blood line Jews or children of Israel.Were they gentiles or what ?

[Joelel]

I ask the question ? God restored Israel on the day of Pentecost and did he save gentiles on the same day ?

IN acts [41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls

Was these 3000 saved ? It does not say they were filled with the Holy Ghost.These 3000 were from other lands and Jews and proselytes.An proselyte is,G4339
προσήλυτος
prosēlutos
pros-ah‘-loo-tos
From the alternate of 4334 an arriver from a foreign region, that is, (specifically) an acceder (convert) to Judaism (“proselyte”): - proselyte.

Children of Israel and or Jews cannot be proselytes,they all ready practice Judaism.An proselyte is a convert to Judaism,therefor these proselytes were not blood line Jews or children of Israel.Were they gentiles or what ?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Joelel

I ask the question ? God restored Israel on the day of Pentecost and did he save gentiles on the same day ?

IN acts [41] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls

Was these 3000 saved ? It does not say they were filled with the Holy Ghost.These 3000 were from other lands and Jews and proselytes.An proselyte is,G4339
προσήλυτος
prosēlutos
pros-ah‘-loo-tos
From the alternate of 4334 an arriver from a foreign region, that is, (specifically) an acceder (convert) to Judaism (“proselyte”): - proselyte.

Children of Israel and or Jews cannot be proselytes,they all ready practice Judaism.An proselyte is a convert to Judaism,therefor these proselytes were not blood line Jews or children of Israel.Were they gentiles or what ?

Gentiles are all the nations of the world other than Israel. But PROSELYTES are gentiles who lose their gentile status when they become Jews. Jews are not a "race". they are people who adhere to Judaism. And if a gentile chooses to adhere to Judaism, he is called a JEW and no longer a gentile, since he is a PROSELYTE.

You are correct in saying Jews cannot be Proselytes. People BORN jews are already jews and cannot be proselytes. But only gentiles can be proselytes. But once they are proselytes, they are no longer Gentiles. So when we read PROSELYTES were in Jerusalem on that day, and were saved, we cannot say GENTILES were saved.

That is why Peter categorized them as "US" in Acts 11, while Gentiles were "THEM" when they spoke of Gentiles saved in Acts 10. The gentiles saved in Acts 10 were saved "LIKE US", Jews, Peter said about Acts 2. Peter considered the people saved in Acts 2 to ALL BE JEWS. Not gentiles.

Otherwise, Peter would not have contrasted "US" in Acts 2 with "THEM" in Acts 10. Proselytes are people who BECAME JEWS. So if proselytes were saved in Acts 2, NO GENTILES were saved then. FORMER gentiles, yes. But former gentiles are no longer gentiles. So NO GENTILE was saved in Acts 2.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Gentiles are all the nations of the world other than Israel. But PROSELYTES are gentiles who lose their gentile status when they become Jews. Jews are not a "race". they are people who adhere to Judaism. And if a gentile chooses to adhere to Judaism, he is called a JEW and no longer a gentile, since he is a PROSELYTE.

You are correct in saying Jews cannot be Proselytes. People BORN jews are already jews and cannot be proselytes. But only gentiles can be proselytes. But once they are proselytes, they are no longer Gentiles. So when we read PROSELYTES were in Jerusalem on that day, and were saved, we cannot say GENTILES were saved.

That is why Peter categorized them as "US" in Acts 11, while Gentiles were "THEM" when they spoke of Gentiles saved in Acts 10. The gentiles saved in Acts 10 were saved "LIKE US", Jews, Peter said about Acts 2. Peter considered the people saved in Acts 2 to ALL BE JEWS. Not gentiles.

Otherwise, Peter would not have contrasted "US" in Acts 2 with "THEM" in Acts 10. Proselytes are people who BECAME JEWS. So if proselytes were saved in Acts 2, NO GENTILES were saved then. FORMER gentiles, yes. But former gentiles are no longer gentiles. So NO GENTILE was saved in Acts 2.

Yelp,sure enough MF,you said it.We got to believe it.If a gentile puts a halloween mask on he is no longer a gentile,we got to believe it.It changes his nation.We can believe you,yelp,sure enough.Poor old Peter didn't know them X gentiles was there looken like a Jew.Please put me back on ignor,you drive me bunkers.

[Sister Alvear]

I am not a Bible teacher and this is a little off however I do not believe God has two churches...Jew and Gentile ...I believe we are all one...