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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Originally Posted by ILG
Not everyone in the UPC even believes this in the hardline way. Some believe that you MUST do this in order to be saved-some believe this in a softer way. It was the difference in the two sides of belief at the merger. But-I don't want to veer off into hardline vs softline. I do believe in Oneness but that's my default setting.
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I don't personally know anyone who doesn't believe in Acts 2:38 in the UPC.
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08-14-2017, 01:08 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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it is weird, I don't know anyone who dropped standards and kept the message, I don't understand how that works.
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I have friends and family members who have dropped standards.
None of them have children who hold to Acts 2:38 and Oneness.
And I agree with you, I do not understand how that works.
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08-14-2017, 01:10 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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I don't personally know anyone who doesn't believe in Acts 2:38 in the UPC. |
It's not that they don't believe in it. It that there is a difference between the hardline message and what was once called the "Light Doctrine".
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08-14-2017, 01:10 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Originally Posted by Amanah
it is weird, I don't know anyone who dropped standards and kept the message, I don't understand how that works.
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I have quite a few friends who have left the UPC who still believe in Acts 2:38.
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08-14-2017, 01:16 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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It's not that they don't believe in it. It that there is a difference between the hardline message and what was once called and i the "Light Doctrine".
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I have heard that discussed here, but don't know anyone personally.
BTW, thanks for your discussions without getting snippy and rude. Gotta run, I am not home and my phone ia not charging in the car for some reason. I need it to last until I check into my hotel room. Have a good one!
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08-14-2017, 01:16 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I have heard that discussed here, but don't know anyone personally.
BTW, thanks for your discussions without getting snippy and rude. Gotta run, I am not home and my phone ia not charging in the car for some reason. I need it to last until I check into my hotel room. Have a good one!
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Thanks PO  . See ya.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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08-14-2017, 01:55 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
ILG - just went to the spiritual abuse site, where you first posted the article.
Was amazed to find an article there(written several years ago), by one of my relatives where he wrote questioning certain standards in the UPC.
The issue I have is this article is well written and by someone who was a good writer and speaker.
But, what the article does not tell is the story of his life, after he left the UPC.
And it is has been a mess.
And I have seen this over and over and over.
I believe I will keep what I have.
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08-14-2017, 01:56 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Originally Posted by aegsm76
ILG - just went to the spiritual abuse site, where you first posted the article.
Was amazed to find an article there(written several years ago), by one of my relatives where he wrote questioning certain standards in the UPC.
The issue I have is this article is well written and by someone who was a good writer and speaker.
But, what the article does not tell is the story of his life, after he left the UPC.
And it is has been a mess.
And I have seen this over and over and over.
I believe I will keep what I have.
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If you believe your life will be a mess if you leave, I'd rather you stay too.
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Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the people doing it. ~Chinese Proverb
When I was young and clever, I wanted to change the world. Now that I am older and wiser, I strive to change myself. ~
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08-14-2017, 01:59 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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If you believe your life will be a mess if you leave, I'd rather you stay too.
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We agree!!!!!
Thanks!!!!
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If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under - Ronald Reagan
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08-14-2017, 02:05 PM
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Re: Submission? Or Power and Control?
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Originally Posted by aegsm76
ILG - just went to the spiritual abuse site, where you first posted the article.
Was amazed to find an article there(written several years ago), by one of my relatives where he wrote questioning certain standards in the UPC.
The issue I have is this article is well written and by someone who was a good writer and speaker.
But, what the article does not tell is the story of his life, after he left the UPC.
And it is has been a mess.
And I have seen this over and over and over.
I believe I will keep what I have.
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I look at my former church members from my first church, it was an independent UC church, with a great move of the HG, people being filled and baptized, ect. Our Pastor dropped standards, his health was not a good, and he was getting weary of pressure that we were feeling from our youth group who kept up a constant barrage of why why why. People wore him down. At least that is what I think happened, plus I think he had a circle of friends who had become "enlightened"
I see former members on facebook, pics of them in bikinis, with Tattoos, drinking at the bars, they believed saved at repentance now, visited awhile back to see old friends, It was like being in a Baptist church, AoG would have been a big step up.
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