Your answer to illegal immigration.

[missourimary]

Hopefully laws have changed more recently and I'm just behind on the news. There was a specific article I read about the ACLU lawsuits, but I am having trouble locating it. Below, the first article from 2006 is about employment issues. The others are related to a number of issues related to illegal immigration. A few take the concept that discrimination against citizens occurs in some areas when illegal immigration is supposedly the target. The ACLU is not alone in this, but they are part of several of the lawsuits.

Here is a statement off a federal site:
http://www.justice.gov/crt/emp/faq.php
Q. Who is responsible for handling employment discrimination complaints related to an individual's immigration or citizenship? status?
A. The Department of Justice's Office of Special Counsel for Immigration Related Unfair Employment Practices (OSC) is responsible for investigating charges of job discrimination related to an individual's citizenship or immigration status and, in certain situations, national origin. The OSC also investigates charges that an employer has requested that an employee or job applicant establish employment eligibility and identity by presenting more or different documents than are required by law, rejected reasonably genuine-looking documents, or demanded a specific document such as a Alien Registration Card or "Green Card." <

I've removed the original statement from my post, because it could be misleading since I can't document the original article I read. My apologies if it was misleading in any way. I'll continue my search and post it if I find it. In the meantime, here is a sampling of what local governments and businesses are dealing with:

http://www.whitecivilrights.com/?p=604
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/08/3...inst-illegals/
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/...04501400951900
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1517616
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009...-rights-issue/
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008May...nation,00.html
http://www.liberallyconservative.com/?p=1552
http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-right...e-riverside-nj
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/n...gals-ordinance
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1899788.shtml
http://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/CRSLe...s%20012808.pdf
http://www.vdare.com/epstein/illegals.htm
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0...aliens-be.html

[missourimary]

Here is the ACLU statement:
http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-right...ply-immigrants

Here is the lengthy EEOC statement:
http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/national-origin.html

Here is an interesting bill proposed in NY earlier this year. Run a search of the document for "alien". http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A05947&sh=t
http://www.utexas.edu/law/journals/t...51/note128.htm

Sorry, I give up on finding the original article. Hopefully the other websites provided give some idea of the conflict and the need to rethink the laws.

[seguidordejesus]

Wow, thanks for the thorough answer.

[missourimary]

LOL I'm still looking...

Its something I discussed quite a bit with a friend a few months ago. But I still can't find the article I was referring to!! These laws have quite a bit of impact on my area. Several of my HR friends have struggled to comply with all the laws and expressed frustration when making the attempt.

Where is Baron when you need him??

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

As a Christian, and, as a part of the Nation of Christ, what are your thoughts and answer to the illegal immigration problem in our country?

Here in the West we see many illegals, and have seen many of them come to God and receive salvation.

From a Christian standpoint what do you think should be done about the problem, understanding that if they had not swam the river illegally, many of them in our churches would not be saved today!

How do we balance this problem out from a Christian standpoint?

Just some thoughts on the matter!

They could have very well become saved in Mexico or wherever they came from since we send missionaries there

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by TJJJ
As a Christian, and, as a part of the Nation of Christ, what are your thoughts and answer to the illegal immigration problem in our country?

Here in the West we see many illegals, and have seen many of them come to God and receive salvation.

From a Christian standpoint what do you think should be done about the problem, understanding that if they had not swam the river illegally, many of them in our churches would not be saved today!

How do we balance this problem out from a Christian standpoint?

Just some thoughts on the matter!

Originally Posted by Praxeas

They could have very well become saved in Mexico or wherever they came from since we send missionaries there

The proof is in the pudding. If they really become saved then they will want to obey the laws of the land by returning to Mexico and applying to enter lawfully. You can't become truly saved and continue to break the law by living illegally in our country.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Originally Posted by TJJJ
As a Christian, and, as a part of the Nation of Christ, what are your thoughts and answer to the illegal immigration problem in our country?

Here in the West we see many illegals, and have seen many of them come to God and receive salvation.

From a Christian standpoint what do you think should be done about the problem, understanding that if they had not swam the river illegally, many of them in our churches would not be saved today!

How do we balance this problem out from a Christian standpoint?

Just some thoughts on the matter!




The proof is in the pudding. If they really become saved then they will want to obey the laws of the land by returning to Mexico and applying to enter lawfully. You can't become truly saved and continue to break the law by living illegally in our country.

There are principles to the law as well. There are many laws that are "on the books" but not enforced because local, state or federal law enforcement have deemed them to be a waste of resources. After a period of time, these "blue laws" can be challenged in court on the basis that if they were not enforced, then they were not valid.

Copyrights have a similar application. If a copyright holder never seeks to defend their copyright, then a court can rule that anyone can use the copyrighted material. This is why Disney, for example, is so notorious for the way they defend their copyrights.

Now, apply that to a "border." If border crossings have not been historically enforced, and if the economies, society and different levels of government on the receiving side can be shown to have actually benefited from the "illegal" migrations, then it could be argued that no actual "border" even exists.

Since you mentioned it in the context of "sin" - from a heavenly perspective, does the United States even have a "border" with Mexico?

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

They could have very well become saved in Mexico or wherever they came from since we send missionaries there

There could be a lot of reasons why God would use them being here to work with them.

Family pressure from the Catholic side in Mexico. The intense pressure might be a strong deterient that them being here in the US would not present them with.

The idea that there are missionaries there is a small comfort seeing the numbers involved. The largest growing church sector in the west is among the hispanic people. The churches reaching for them are growing. I would have to say that God is more interested in them being saved than whether there was water still dripping off their backs.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Originally Posted by TJJJ
As a Christian, and, as a part of the Nation of Christ, what are your thoughts and answer to the illegal immigration problem in our country?

Here in the West we see many illegals, and have seen many of them come to God and receive salvation.

From a Christian standpoint what do you think should be done about the problem, understanding that if they had not swam the river illegally, many of them in our churches would not be saved today!

How do we balance this problem out from a Christian standpoint?

Just some thoughts on the matter!




The proof is in the pudding. If they really become saved then they will want to obey the laws of the land by returning to Mexico and applying to enter lawfully. You can't become truly saved and continue to break the law by living illegally in our country.

But.... what if God knows that the US is going to enact an amnesty soon? And... that by waiting, all these new children of the King will have the chance to be citizens soon, then if they jus waited a while wouldn't the legal issue be dealt with?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother David

There are principles to the law as well. There are many laws that are "on the books" but not enforced because local, state or federal law enforcement have deemed them to be a waste of resources. After a period of time, these "blue laws" can be challenged in court on the basis that if they were not enforced, then they were not valid.

Copyrights have a similar application. If a copyright holder never seeks to defend their copyright, then a court can rule that anyone can use the copyrighted material. This is why Disney, for example, is so notorious for the way they defend their copyrights.

Now, apply that to a "border." If border crossings have not been historically enforced, and if the economies, society and different levels of government on the receiving side can be shown to have actually benefited from the "illegal" migrations, then it could be argued that no actual "border" even exists.

Since you mentioned it in the context of "sin" - from a heavenly perspective, does the United States even have a "border" with Mexico?

Border laws have been inforced though. We don't commit the same amount of manpower though as in say...giving out parking tickets