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Old 08-14-2017, 04:29 PM
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Free coffee?
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Old 08-14-2017, 04:41 PM
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Old 08-14-2017, 04:44 PM
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That is not for you to determine.
Says the person who takes it upon herself to cause division among those who may be weak in their faith, who are attending a church which believes what you do not.

If you don't wish to believe it, fine. Don't be a stumbling block and offense to others who attend a church which does.
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Old 08-14-2017, 04:46 PM
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So lots of women out there who will have a closer walk with God if they just cut their hair?

Wow.
No, that's not what I said. Lots of women need to break out of the mind prison.
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Says the person who takes it upon herself to cause division among those who may be weak in their faith, who are attending a church which believes what you do not.

If you don't wish to believe it, fine. Don't be a stumbling block and offense to others who attend a church which does.
Maybe you're being the stumblingblock. I'll just leave it at that. I'm not going to allow a couple people on the internet to let me determine what my calling is.
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Maybe you're being the stumblingblock. I'll just leave it at that. I'm not going to allow a couple people on the internet to let me determine what my calling is.
Your calling is to sow division?

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Too sweet. You need this:

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No, that's not what I said. Lots of women need to break out of the mind prison.
You said the fence was keeping women from a closer walk with God. If long/uncut hair is the fence, then the conclusion is obvious.
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:24 PM
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So, you admit that uncut isn't so clear. . .
Second time you’ve attributed the cut/uncut argument to me. None of my posts go there.

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If you are asking if I believe the hardline, you must 1. Repent and then 2. Be baptized with a preacher saying the name of Jesus over you while you are immersed and then 3. Speak in tongues and believe in the Oneness of God to be saved the answer is no.
Then you do not believe in the oneness of God. And of course this completely validates my earlier statement about your bitterness and your continuing to hang out here only to stir up that bitterness in your own spirit and hopefully, for you, spread that spirit to others here.


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it is weird, I don't know anyone who dropped standards and kept the message, I don't understand how that works.
Agreed. It’s not written down anywhere, but every time I’ve seen someone throw out pretty much all standards they also quit believing in the truth.


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I have quite a few friends who have left the UPC who still believe in Acts 2:38.
Leaving the UPC isn’t the same as “dropping standards.”
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:29 PM
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There are plenty.
Maybe it's a matter of degree.

I've been in ultra-conservative and fairly "liberal" churches and have adjusted my standards - after 21 years - to something I feel is pretty balanced. More liberal than my old ultra-con peers would be comfy with but more conservative than in many ways than my liberal peers.

I have WPF relatives that proudly tout their lack of a TV but watch way more youtube than I do actual TV, but I'm more conservative in my approach to TV than most others in my church now.
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