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Old 08-17-2018, 09:22 AM
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Here is a statement for scientist concerned about the EMF issue. I will leave some links to their website and a article. Knowledge on these issues by more people will save unnecessary suffering.

"As of July 3, 2018, 242 EMF scientists from 41 nations have signed the Appeal."

http://www.emfscientist.org/

http://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10609244...ppeal_2017.pdf

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Old 09-04-2018, 11:39 AM
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http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/ne...GeybdklMfHzbL/

Trump and the politicians of Palm Beach don't want 5G in their community. I wonder why?

Proverbs 28:28 (KJV) When the wicked rise, men hide themselves: but when they perish, the righteous increase.

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Old 09-06-2018, 07:25 AM
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I'd like to know the corporations who are lobbying so hard for this effort.
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Old 09-06-2018, 07:35 AM
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I'd like to know the corporations who are lobbying so hard for this effort.
The government is driving this, we are racing China for the market.

The government is also driving the Corporations, because once we corner the market for the technology, then we need to be able to do surveillance on it. Trust me, we need to beat China to market.

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Old 09-06-2018, 07:45 AM
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As the international “race to 5G” approaches its second major public milestone — launches of commercial 5G networks — China’s government and local companies are rushing to launch networks and hardware. In a new tweet, Xiaomi has teased its first 5G-compatible phone, while Bloomberg separately reported today that the Chinese government is considering a massive merger of two national carriers to hasten 5G deployment.

Xiaomi appeared to reveal a 5G-ready Mi Mix 3 via tweets from company spokesperson Donovan Sung, most notably showing a full-screened phone with “5G” in its status bar and a 4G/5G radio testing display in the background. The key image depicts a 4G radio operating on 2.5GHz spectrum, with 5G New Radio antennas operating on 3.5GHz and multiple 28GHz spectra.

In other words, the phone will be capable of supporting both the midband and “millimeter wave” frequencies that 5G networks will use in suburban and urban areas. “We’ve successfully tested 5G data connections on Xiaomi phones,” Sung said in a subsequent tweet, “and we can’t wait for the official rollout of 5G next year!”

Unfortunately, the latter comment raises some ambiguity as to the company’s 5G timeline. Xiaomi has previously said that the Mi Mix 3 will be launched in October, spotlighting the image below with promises of a “next generation full screen display” and “sliding form factor.” Unlike the company’s current full-screen but ‘notched’ phones, the 5G phone appears to be identical to the Mi Mix 3, with just its speaker and camera housing retracted.

It’s possible that the 5G phone is a next-generation prototype and that the company is using the prospect of future 5G support merely to build excitement for its October reveal. In theory, an unfulfilled promise would likely disappoint some people.

Realistically, however, Xiaomi’s need to include 5G hardware depends entirely on the availability of 5G networks, and China — the company’s primary market — is still in the process of allocating 5G wireless frequencies, so Chinese consumers couldn’t use 5G capabilities even if a phone had them. Test 5G networks are expected to be running in China by year’s end, with commercial networks debuting in 2019.

Last week, China reportedly decided to divide up three 5G frequencies unevenly between its three government-backed carriers, China Mobile, China Telecom, and China Unicom. Unusually, while top carrier China Mobile is expected to get spectrum on both the 2.6GHz and 4.9GHz bands, the two smaller carriers are each said to be getting separate blocks of spectrum on the 3.5GHz band — the one that is most prized internationally and is expected to become the main global frequency of 5G.

According to today’s report, China is considering merging China Telecom and China Unicom to form a single provider with over 590 million subscribers, a better size to rival China Mobile’s over 900 million subscribers. The merger would leave the resulting companies as the two largest wireless carriers in the world, enabling China to accelerate its 5G deployments and exert more control over the global 5G standards process. Specifically, while the Chinese government is funding all of the carriers, the merged company would be able to allocate necessary 5G investments more easily than two companies working separately and with fewer resources.

Still in the discussion stage, the potential merger apparently has taken on new urgency in light of the U.S.-China trade war, which has become interwoven with concerns over 5G and national security. U.S. bans of Huawei and ZTE apparently provoked the Chinese government to further prioritize 5G development, including focusing on recouping its significant investments in wireless infrastructure. However, analysts continue to question whether the merger might damage increasing market competitiveness and increase monopolistic practices within China, as most countries have three to four major carriers.


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Old 09-06-2018, 08:53 AM
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The government is driving this, we are racing China for the market.

The government is also driving the Corporations, because once we corner the market for the technology, then we need to be able to do surveillance on it. Trust me, we need to beat China to market.
Amanah, corporations who are competing with China are going to lobby politicians to support and vote for legislation in favor of lifting any regulation, removing any possible obstacle, and provide legal protections from lawsuits.

It's really funny how it works. Corporations lobby the politicians to loosen regulations. Politicians cave in to the money and corporate favors offered and loosen regulations. Then, something terrible happens... and the corporations get sued and blame the government. lol

For example,


WASHINGTON — The future of cellular service is coming to a neighborhood near you.

But who gets to decide when, where and how it gets delivered is still a heated fight.

The new technology, known as 5G, delivers wireless internet at far faster speeds than existing cellular connections. But it also requires different hardware to deliver the signals.

Instead of relying on large towers placed far apart, the new signals will come from smaller equipment placed an average of 500 feet apart in neighborhoods and business districts. Much of the equipment will be on streetlights or utility poles, often accompanied by containers the size of refrigerators on the ground. More than 300,000 cell stations now provide wireless connections, and 5G will bring hundreds of thousands — perhaps millions — more.

The prospect of their installation has many communities and their officials, from Woodbury, N.Y., to Olympia, Wash., insisting that local governments control the placement and look of the new equipment. They say that the cell stations could clutter neighborhoods with eyesores and cost the communities a lot of potential revenue.

“Residents across the country are just now beginning to understand the harms that hasty and insensitive small cell deployments can inflict on their communities,” said Jim Baller, the president of Baller Stokes & Lide, a law firm in Washington that represents municipalities on communications issues.

But telecommunications companies — hoping to cash in on what is predicted to be $250 billion in annual service revenue from 5G by 2025 — are pushing to build the system as quickly and cheaply as possible. And they have the federal government on their side.

The companies, like Verizon Communications and AT&T, say that the equipment will be safe and unobtrusive, and that it is needed to support future applications like driverless cars. Dotting them throughout neighborhoods is necessary for full coverage, they say, because the new 5G signals do not travel as far as the radio frequencies now in use.

The new equipment, AT&T told the Federal Communications Commission last year, “will revolutionize the way consumers and businesses use mobile broadband services, and of the emerging internet of things.”

To get their way, the telecom firms have lobbyists working state legislatures, advocating laws that restrict local oversight of 5G. Since 2016, 13 states have passed bills that limit local control, and several other states are considering similar laws. Wireless companies are also lobbying Congress, which is considering several bills on the issue.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/t...r-service.html
What many don't understand is how corporate money in politics shapes almost everything today. In fact, if a politician comes out in favor of a regulation that corporations aren't in favor of, they will spend millions lobbying politicians to oppose it. If corporations want regulations removed, they will spend millions to lobby politicians to remove those regulations. Some of these corporations have as much economic resources as a small country. This is why rulings favoring corporate personhood, corporate money in politics as "speech", etc. are so bad for our republic. They buy the politicians who are supposed to represent the people.

Consider the following. These are the kinds of state laws that were in effect in the United States to regulate corporate power in early America. Remember, in the war for independence, our Founders had to face the power of British corporations loyal to the crown. Our Founders saw how dangerous they could be, and set standards like these on the books:
◾Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws.
◾Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose.
◾Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose.
◾Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm.
◾Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job.
◾Corporations could not make any political or charitable contributions nor spend money to influence law-making.
Most laws establishing the above measures were on the books for nearly 100 years after the Revolutionary War. In 1819 we see the first real attack on the sovereignty of states to regulate corporate power.
In 1819 the U.S. Supreme Court tried to strip states of this sovereign right by overruling a lower court’s decision that allowed New Hampshire to revoke a charter granted to Dartmouth College by King George III. The Court claimed that since the charter contained no revocation clause, it could not be withdrawn. The Supreme Court’s attack on state sovereignty outraged citizens. Laws were written or re-written and new state constitutional amendments passed to circumvent the (Dartmouth College v Woodward) ruling. Over several decades starting in 1844, nineteen states amended their constitutions to make corporate charters subject to alteration or revocation by their legislatures. As late as 1855 it seemed that the Supreme Court had gotten the people’s message when in Dodge v. Woolsey it reaffirmed state’s powers over “artificial bodies.”

But the men running corporations pressed on. Contests over charter were battles to control labor, resources, community rights, and political sovereignty. More and more frequently, corporations were abusing their charters to become conglomerates and trusts. They converted the nation’s resources and treasures into private fortunes, creating factory systems and company towns. Political power began flowing to absentee owners, rather than community-rooted enterprises.
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporat...rporations-us/
Right now, the government is owned by corporate power. They will have the politicians they own pass laws that give them the power to do what they will, and even harm you and your fellow Americans. And when anyone tries to hold them accountable, they will point at the government and blame the government. Of course, what most don't realize is... THEY OWN THE GOVERNMENT.

Sure, fight the government all you like. But it isn't the government that is the problem, it's the dark, hidden, secretive corporate bodies that have essentially bought Washington and state capitals across the nation that you really need to take a stand against. But they're tricky. They have corporate own media that will not tell you the full story. In fact, these corporations will flood the air with propaganda promoting a "laissez faire capitalism" that is romanticized well beyond the facts, wrap it in an American flag, and get uninformed "patriots" defending the vary corporations that are poisoning them.

It's a sad state of affairs. That's why one of my big issues is a politician's support for corporate power. And yes, that's why I liked Bernie Sanders. He is one of the very few politicians who has an entire career demonstrating a desire to curb corporate power and money in politics. Aside from healthcare, I think this is one of the biggest issues in America today. In a very real way, it can be seen in the healthcare debate. Who is fueling the effort to destroy Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid programs? Politicians owned by the private insurance lobby. They have usurped the democratic process of our republic, bought the government, and now they run the show.

We've been conditioned to see politicians and the government as a socialist threat. But in a nation that is a republic with elected officials, they represent constituents. And sadly, right now, the politicians are all bought and paid for by corporate America. If they had to wear patches revealing their sponsors, contributors, and lobbies, (like race car drivers), they'd look like this...

America is firmly in the grip of corporatocracy, not socialism. With unmentioned corporations pulling the strings in nearly every area of lawmaking. They live by the Golden Rule - "He with the gold, makes the rules."


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Old 09-06-2018, 09:03 AM
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Corporations want to remove and block any legislation that will stop them from cashing in on this new technology. And their lobbyists are buying entire state legislatures.

As we speak a few lobbyists from a couple of these major telecom companies are meeting with a politician on a golf course. They are offering him nice cigars, talking about shares, investments, profits, the brave new world of telecommunication and the importance of leading the markets and dominating overseas competition. They are even smiling about a nice position within the company for a grandson of the politician who just graduated college, and the ability to pay off his college debt. This politician has heard the concerns of communities who have voiced their concerns,... but these communities aren't offering the politician anything. The corporations are. Whose interests do you think the politician will take a stand to represent???

These corporations know exactly how many politicians they need to lobby to get their agenda passed. And... they are more than willing to do whatever is necessary... for the billions in profits that they stand to gain. Even if the technology is discovered to give our kids cancer in 10 years.

We need laws that will get corporate money out of politics.

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Old 09-06-2018, 09:33 AM
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5G is a matter of national security, the Government is driving it because of that.
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5G is absolute, total surveillance. But most Americans want it because muh stoopid and so we'll get it.

Your grandkids will then exploit the backdoors and bring civilization to a complete standstill for a reboot. And, THIS generation will go down in history as the dumbest generation of all time, bar none.
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It is true that 5G will up surveillance.
It is also true that winning the war for 5G is a national security issue.

Business transactions are normally out of my lane, but a fight currently occurring in the business world has some big national-security implications.

As interested investors know, Broadcom, a Singapore company, is fighting to take over Qualcomm. Broadcom made a takeover bid — which the company rejected — and is now engaged in a proxy fight to replace the board of directors of Qualcomm. That vote will occur on March 6.

Again, this would normally be a business issue fought according to the terms of the free market. But the monkey wrench here is the emerging 5G network in which Qualcomm has invested so greatly. The implications of 5G aren’t entirely clear even to experts in the field, but one thing seems certain: As it emerges, it will be the key to the Internet of Things, which will revolutionize not just the commercial and consumer sectors but also support critical military and public-safety infrastructure.

The Chinese understand this all too well. Their military doctrine is explicit that the wars of the future will be fought primarily in the information domain. They largely missed out on the development of the 4G network, and they are determined to control 5G. To that end, they heavily subsidize research on 5G in their own country, and especially through their national champion, Huawei. Notwithstanding that, the United States is currently ahead in the development of 5G because of robust investment by its enormously innovative private sector. Qualcomm is the recognized leader in that.

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The Trump administration’s national military strategy states that “inter-state competition, not terrorism, is now the primary concern in U.S. national security.” That is exactly right. America is in a national competition, especially with China. I have great confidence in the enormous reservoirs of American strength, but the challenge is real, and we can’t afford to give advantages away if we want to win.



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