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Originally Posted by BCsenior
My Bible does not have it in red (i.e. Jesus); I agree it is Father God.
Would you like to know who the "overcomers" are?
Jesus' definition is in Rev 3:21 ...
"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
So, you have to figure out ... what and who did Jesus overcome?
Matt 28:19 ... no idea why they did not follow Jesus' command.
What, do I have to know everything! |
Who is the Alpha and the Omega?
[
Rev 1:5-8 NKJV] 5 and
from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and
has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him [be] glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. 7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. 8 "
I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
[
Rev 1:11-13, 17-18 NKJV] 11 saying, "
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send [it] to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea." 12
Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands [One]
like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. ... 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,
"Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 "I [am] He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Did the Apostles believed in ONE GOD?
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Gal 3:20 NKJV] 20 Now a mediator does not [mediate] for one [only], but
God is one.
[1Ti 2:5 NKJV] 5 For
[there is] one God and one Mediator between God and men, [the] Man Christ Jesus,
[Jas 2:19 NKJV] 19 You believe that
there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!
Why is it called the Son of God? Because his Father was the Holy Spirit but his mother was Mary.
[
Luk 1:35 NKJV] 35 And the angel answered and said to her, "[The] Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;
therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
So it had a beginning. And it was a human because it was born of a woman:
[
Gal 4:4 NKJV] 4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
And he died!
[
Rom 5:10 NKJV] 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the
death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
If the Son of God is eternal, who do you explain this. If it was God the Son, then he was no equal to the Father!! because it had to pray and it actually died!!! So God the Son died!!! God dies???
No! the explanation here is that the Son of God refers to the INCARNATION, not the second person of a Triune God!
The INCARNATION had a beginning, and submitted to the will of God, and it died on the cross.
How can you say that through Christ everything was created then?
The same way you can say: [
Rev 13:8 NKJV] 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of
the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The creation was done with the Savior plan already laid out. It was not complete without the Salvation plan, the Savior. He is the firstborn (the rights) over all the creation, the first in the resurrection, the first one without sin, ever. All creation awaits his coming, he is the first one transformed from corruptible to incorruptible. The whole creation wasn't complete in God's mind without Him.
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Col 1:15, 18 NKJV] 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the
firstborn over all creation. ... 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the
firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Trinity is illogical in his own foundation. You can't setup a doctrine unless you look at all the verses and you then draw a conclusion. You can't just pick one verse and say that that proves you point. If you lay out all the verse about the theology of who and how God is, you will naturally end up with a Oneness doctrine, because there are way too many evidences that GOD IS ONE, and the messiah is simply GOD MANIFESTED IN FLESH. You don't have to think more than what it is written.
BCSenior, you need to seek the truth instead of just repeating what you have been told. God will lead you the right way. Remember 2Ti 3:16, you need to let the Scripture correct you somehow.
I can show you even more verses but I see that I may be wasting my time. I was hoping you digested the discussion and began to realize the flaws of the Trinity; but it seems that you are even trying to argue by using things like "red letters" ?
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