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Old 04-15-2019, 12:01 AM
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Re: Adultery vs Fornication

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This seems more of a discussion on divorce and remarriage instead of adultery and fornication.

Check out the Greek word for fornication.

G4202
πορνεία
porneia
por-ni'-ah
From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

This word comes from:

G4203
πορνεύω
porneuō
porn-yoo'-o
From G4204; to act the harlot, that is, (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry: - commit (fornication).

We know this word in the English as porn, or any variation of it. It means to partake of unlawful lust, or the acting of the harlot.

Fornication can be as simple as looking at porn according to the Bible.

Adultery is mixing in the marriage covenant to this perversion.
Yes this is biblical lexocon..
i am Greek fornication means only paid sex, or anything out of marriage.
Adultery is when one of the couple having sex or marry with an other.
And i dont say that because o know Greek, i believe that ,In general the Bible language is what matter ,is more important the Spiritual Language than Greek.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:05 AM
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Re: Adultery vs Fornication

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2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. so no! The only meaning of Fornication is every sexual relationship between no married people.
It did not said "to avoid Marriage" but to avoid Fornication.
(also of the adultery was a ticket for second marriage, why then Jesus said that for any other reason is adultery? Every man or woman who is so hard-hearted and divrses ,He does for marry an other one. Son then all second marriages were permitted.?)
I think your zeal to consign all divorced and remarried people to the infernal regions blinds you. Here are the definitions of the Greek word "porneia", which is translated "fornication" in Matthew 19:9:

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I. illicit sexual intercourse

A. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.


B. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18


C. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:58 AM
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I think your zeal to consign all divorced and remarried people to the infernal regions blinds you. Here are the definitions of the Greek word "porneia", which is translated "fornication" in Matthew 19:9:
If you see above ,the question i did was "what a 2nd or 3rd times married couple should do if they come to repentance"
Otherwise ,i know (we know very well) that no divorce is ever permitted to anyone. And if there is a possibility to be separate (for any reason) then must be un-married or reconcile with the ex-husband/wife
No blindness in Light. Every person who reads the Bible with the Spirit knows very well what pleased God and what not. But also every human being knows the deference between Fornication and Adultery.
The problem is if we want to obey or not. I dont WΑNT neither i can send any sinner,(except myself) to Hell. Anyone should choose where want to go , and whom they want to obey. I have also family members involved on that sin, do you think i am happy to know they go to hell if they dont repent? It should be nice if i could choose who goes to hell or not, because i could only send them to Heaven...but is not what we like or what we think is right ,neither our opinion makes something right. The opinion of God is what matter.
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Amen.

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Old 04-19-2019, 10:17 AM
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Re: Adultery vs Fornication

Looks to me like Peter is just standing for what he believes. I admire that in anybody.
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:24 PM
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If you see above ,the question i did was "what a 2nd or 3rd times married couple should do if they come to repentance"
Otherwise ,i know (we know very well) that no divorce is ever permitted to anyone. And if there is a possibility to be separate (for any reason) then must be un-married or reconcile with the ex-husband/wife
I know we are the New Testament Church, but where are you getting the “reconcile with the ex-husband/wife” doctrine?

Do you have scripture for that?

In the Old Testament it was forbidden to do so.

Deut.24

[1] When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
[2] And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
[3] And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
[4] Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:31 PM
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Re: Adultery vs Fornication

As far as someone having their second or third wife (or even the seventh or eleventh) before coming to God, I believe this scripture comes into play.

2 Corinthians:5

[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It seems to me that you are wondering if the new creature should be responsible for the sins of the old creature. I think this scripture implies otherwise.
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:22 PM
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2 Corinthians:5[17]
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away;
behold, all things are become new
Adultery does not become new and clean any more than does sodomy.

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Old 04-19-2019, 11:39 PM
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Looks to me like Peter is just standing for what he believes. I admire that in anybody.
And I agree.

Whatever doctrine you uphold with conviction, as significant, can be attacked, just like Christians are attacked for their belief in the Prince of Eternity, just like oneness believers are attacked for their narrow, exclusive beliefs.

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Sidenote analogy:

Good 'ol Homestead Heritage accused me of "holding a doctrine in a heretical way", simply because I exhort them to drop the dark-side entity yahweh and the gibberish cohort yahshua, and exhort them to return closer to an earlier belief in the pure Bible. Their "heretical way" is not an accusation against the doctrines (they are very confused on those points) it simply means that I should accept whatever the ministry speaks, their rhema du jour.

Do I mind being attacked, and the likely imprecatory prayers, which has become part of their spiritual retinue? As a child of the Lord Jesus Christ, not one whit, sharing with them remains a most reasonable service, before the Lord Jesus Christ. The time for them to return to Christianity may be quite short, and it is important to speak a clear word.

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Those who truly believe in the sanctity of marriage permanence, "till death do you part" (not till convenience, adultery or divorce do you part) can always be expected to receive unfair accusations.

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With appreciation for the principled position of Peter,

Steven

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Old 04-20-2019, 12:30 AM
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Re: Adultery vs Fornication

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I know we are the New Testament Church, but where are you getting the “reconcile with the ex-husband/wife” doctrine?

Do you have scripture for that?

In the Old Testament it was forbidden to do so.

Deut.24

[1] When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
[2] And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
[3] And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
[4] Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
ofcourse i have scripture for this! If i give yoy you will beliebe it?
1 Cor.7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
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Old 04-20-2019, 12:44 AM
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Re: Adultery vs Fornication

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As far as someone having their second or third wife (or even the seventh or eleventh) before coming to God, I believe this scripture comes into play.

2 Corinthians:5

[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It seems to me that you are wondering if the new creature should be responsible for the sins of the old creature. I think this scripture implies otherwise.
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.


Yes the only subject under convertation os that. If the 2nd or 3rd time married vouple should brake up their adultery or if Lord accpet them as a couple (because they were married as non believers).
Of course a divorced man or women who comes to Jesus can not be married and if they do it, then repentance means to leave their sin.
Christians are not to divorce and if divorce " The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. "
So the only question is about a already married couple that did that when did not knew nothing for the law of God.

Now as for the paste sins...if i stole a bank and then i repent ,sure i am forgiven. But if i keep the stolen money ,is this repentance?
If i take drugs and repent ,He will forgive me, but if i continue to use...am i really forgiven?
Repentance means "leave your sins" .
In the same manner ,if tomorrow i marry the wife of my brother (we are in adultery). If then i repent for the adultery i must also leave the adulterous relationship.
(so the question is not that simple, maybe is simple but is too hard to admit.
But in all that, we know that no divorce and not 2nd marriage is ever valid for a Christian. the only question is how to treat those who came from the world as a couple.
If he-she is divorced ,then must stay un-married or be reconciled to her ex, so what is fear for the couple?
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