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Old 02-21-2020, 02:11 PM
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Re: Was it God's will for Israel to have a king?

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I really hope you are just having fun and don’t really have these questions concerning who chose Israel’s king and if voting for a pastor is biblical.
Buddy, this is real. When a church votes a Pastor in, they can also vote him out. The Pastor is either called to go there or he is not.
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I really hope you are just having fun and don’t really have these questions concerning who chose Israel’s king and if voting for a pastor is biblical.
Just getting opinions as our people give their opinions...
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one question leads to another here in my office...now the question is: is voting for a pastor Biblical or any church office as far as voting is concerned?
When the first ministers of the church (deacons) were selected, the apostles told the assembly to put forward the names, in other words the church nominated the guys who were going to be deacons. These men chosen by the church were then appointed by the apostles to their responsibilities.

Paul had an apostolic representative (Timothy) who was responsible for ordaining elders (bishops, overseers). It is clear from the text such persons needed to have support from the assembly (how can a person oversee a church that doesn't approve of them being in oversight?) but these elders/overseers were not just "voted on" by the congregation, either. Apparently there is a sort of hybrid method in the Bible, involving input from the assembly, as well as input from the existing oversight/elders/apostolic church planting ministry, working together through prayer to identify whom God has raised up to continue the work.

Biblically, a pastor is not appointed, ordained, or elected, but rather is gifted by God to function as a shepherd and teacher. Such a person's "pastorate" will manifest simply by how they are used (by the Spirit) in the assembly. Modern "pastors" are closer to bishop/overseer/elder than to a Biblical "pastor". What I'm saying is nowadays we have called bishops by the term "pastor" which in Scripture a pastor is not necessarily a bishop.

A church usually has a founder, a church planter, which is basically the apostle of that church. Such person needs to have serious input into who is going to handle the oversight of the assembly (see above in regards to Paul and Timothy). But most of this is moot since most churches do NOT operate completely Scripturally, nor do they want to.
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Just getting opinions as our people give their opinions...
From your post it doesn’t sound like you are just innocently asking opinion it sounds like you are sincerely asking and don’t know........ Of course we won’t hear what you really think on the matter I can guarantee that...
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From your post it doesn’t sound like you are just innocently asking opinion it sounds like you are sincerely asking and don’t know........ Of course we won’t hear what you really think on the matter I can guarantee that...

Why would you say that?
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From your post it doesn’t sound like you are just innocently asking opinion it sounds like you are sincerely asking and don’t know........ Of course we won’t hear what you really think on the matter I can guarantee that...
She does this every now and again. You don’t have to be a jerk.
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Re: Was it God's will for Israel to have a king?

Actually we were talking about the will of God...and His will for our lives today and for His people...I have no problem stating what I think on any matter....that does not mean I am always right...we enjoy talking about Bible subject and lots of times my helpers ask what do my friends think on different subjects. I don't think God wanted them to be like the other nations around them...and I personally do not believe in voting for pastors...or church officials...but that is only my thoughts...and why would I not express myself?
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one question leads to another here in my office...now the question is: is voting for a pastor Biblical or any church office as far as voting is concerned?
It’s a trick question Sister Alvear. Having a pastor (singular) over a church, is what is not biblical.

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I see......just cannot figure out why someone would think I would not like to answer a question...actually I have very little time but like to keep those around me involved in Bible talk...instead of just everyday office talk...I have no problem answering any question however I do not claim to be a Bible teacher...Really I love to see the youth that work beside of me arrive with a Bible question...
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It’s a trick question Sister Alvear. Having a pastor (singular) over a church, is what is not biblical.

I know y’all are going to love me for this.
You again! lol j/k

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