Adultery vs Fornication

[peter83]

I don't live in "fear" that does not come from the Lord as you do. You completely missed the point of my previous post. Matthew 19 is not groundwork for the church. If you continue to insist that it is, then you must obey Deut 24 as well. Furthermore, you never really elaborated on whether a brother like the one I mentioned is free to remarry , nor did you really say if one can marry another after breaking a betrothal that was broken over something other than sexual immorality. All you do is write an emotionally driven response and underline everything, making it a chore to read. Try appealing to emotion less in your responses.

Sorry ,the letter which you see them in ITALICS are verses, i also gave you the chapters and verses. Is not my emotion is all and only Scripture. (if it was my emotion,...i should then justify divorce and even fornication..yeah! all my life was given to this...now this was my number one DEATH challenge in my flesh!!!!! o LOVED to be around women..but "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."

Bottom line questions:


Can a brother remarry if he divorces his betrothed after finding her to be full of STD's on their wedding night?

Jesus spoke to Jews. Ia a Jew found his wife non virgin the punishment was DEATH.
A Christian that marry a woman and she is not virgin is acceptable if she told him that. Now if she told him she is virgin but he discovrs that no..yes he has all right to put her away and then mary an other.But he also has the right to forgive her. (i suppose that today no Christian girl wll say a lie that was virgin)

Is it a sin to remarry if one breaks an engagement for any reason other than sexual sin? (For example, a girl hands an engagement ring back to a guy because she thinks he is too immature to marry)

engagement is not a finished marriage .Paul spoke to engaged both men and women: 1 Corinthians 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.4
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.
(i dont kinbow if that covers you, i dont uynderstand 100% of English language!

Can you answer these questions in a normal manner?

No! if you mean "just normal,like everybody is" NO!
If you want un-naturale yes 1 Corinthians.3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness for God."
1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

I maintain that Jesus was speaking about marital unfaithfulness after the wedding, even years later. The context is putting away one's WIFE. I inserted my comments in my last thread to challenge the theory, not to condone it. If you would come down out of the emotional cloud-bank you're riding on, you might see that.

I dont believe that Jesus spoke about betrothal fornication . He spoke about a man who puts away his wife. All married men that puting away their wifes for all reasons are (causeth her to commit adultery Matthew 5:32).
All men who married a departed woman : (and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery Matthew 5:32).
All women that leave their husband :(And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.Mark10:12)
All men who leave their women and re-marry :Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.Mark.10:11

Now please answer (from what you can find in Scriptures) this questions:
[BIt is about fornication...
1)tell me what this man was commanded (or (supposed to do) )? in order to be accepted again by God and restored?
2)Why? what was his sin?
3)And, is he permitted to marry an other woman latter in his life if he repents?If yes, why he is free to take an other woman?[/B]
1 Corinthinas 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
Amen, thank you in advance (as you see no feelings.just the opposite of what my feelings are ) I dont feel anything bad about you, really i just felt a little sadness because we supposed to be brothers ,but i feel that if you have humble spirit (and that means you really have the Holy Spirit) we will agree in the end. I dont see "friends" when people tell what i like to listen so don see my opposition as negative, se it as friendly or better brotherly Love!
Even if you dont agree with all ,we will agree in some. For example like you see (?) divorce is nowhere in the New testament and the only question is about people who are second or even third time married from the world and then Jesus called than as a couple.
In this and only this situation is where churches have different views .(there are two different practises ,i will tell you in other post if you want)

edit a list with verses were Fornication is considered as a different sin of Adultery (we know that are two different words but this is not only linguistic but Scriptural too)¨
Ηos.4:14 I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom(fornication), nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall
Matt.15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
1 Cor.6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Gal.5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Hebr.13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

Now please answer (from what you can find in Scriptures) this questions:
[BIt is about fornication...
1)tell me what this man was commanded (or (supposed to do) )? in order to be accepted again by God and restored?
2)Why? what was his sin?
3)And, is he permitted to marry an other woman latter in his life if he repents?If yes, why he is free to take an other woman?[/B]
1 Corinthinas 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
Amen, thank you in advance (as you see no feelings.just the opposite of what my feelings are ) I dont feel anything bad about you, really i just felt a little sadness because we supposed to be brothers ,but i feel that if you have humble spirit (and that means you really have the Holy Spirit) we will agree in the end. I dont see "friends" when people tell what i like to listen so don see my opposition as negative, se it as friendly or better brotherly Love!
Even if you dont agree with all ,we will agree in some. For example like you see (?) divorce is nowhere in the New testament and the only question is about people who are second or even third time married from the world and then Jesus called than as a couple.
In this and only this situation is where churches have different views .(there are two different practises ,i will tell you in other post if you want)

edit a list with verses were Fornication is considered as a different sin of Adultery (we know that are two different words but this is not only linguistic but Scriptural too)¨
Ηos.4:14 I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom(fornication), nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall
Matt.15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
1 Cor.6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Gal.5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Hebr.13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

The relationship in question was essentially incestuous in nature. Secondly, the man and woman in question had not married. It was a illicit affair. There is nothing here that makes it comparable to a Christian man remarrying after he is abandoned by an unbelieving wife.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The relationship in question was essentially incestuous in nature. Secondly, the man and woman in question had not married. It was a illicit affair. There is nothing here that makes it comparable to a Christian man remarrying after he is abandoned by an unbelieving wife.

Yes ,this is what i am telling you. That is why they commit FORNICATION.
this man is obligated to put away this woman who lives with him.
That is fornication an unlawful relationship which never should count as marriage, that is why they can marry any man or woman without commit adultery .
1 Corinthinas 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

Yes ,this is what i am telling you. That is why they commit FORNICATION.
this man is obligated to put away this woman who lives with him.
That is fornication an unlawful relationship which never should count as marriage, that is why they can marry any man or woman without commit adultery .
1 Corinthinas 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Again, "fornication" (porneia) is a generic term under whose umbrella adultery is situated. This has been proven to you over and over. You hang your hat on a nonsensical presupposition and premise.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, "fornication" (porneia) is a generic term under whose umbrella adultery is situated. This has been proven to you over and over. You hang your hat on a nonsensical presupposition and premise.

i think you probably read only my last phrase , please read the entire post, i answer to all your question from Scripture. what should be noncencial then ? only scripture ui gave you..please check it.

(This has been proven to you over and over.)

But without scripture you did not gave me even one scripture Sir. give me scripture and i believe it.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

i think you probably read only my last phrase , please read the entire post, i answer to all your question from Scripture. what should be noncencial then ? only scripture ui gave you..please check it.

But without scripture you did not gave me even one scripture Sir. give me scripture and i believe it.

I gave you the definition of a word found in scripture.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I gave you the definition of a word found in scripture.

1) Υou dont gave me scripture to support your theory (while i gave you clear Scripture teaching without my own interpretation! Straight pure commands!
2) You gave me a pottibility of what the word means

From Scripture i gave you many verses were Fornication is clear a diferent word than adultery, now look here:
WIKIPEDIA : Fornication is generally consensual sexual intercourse between two people not married to each other.[1][2] When one of the partners to consensual sexual intercourse is a married person, it may be described as adultery.

GOOGLE LEXICON:fornication= sexual intercourse between people not married to each other.
ADULTERY=voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not their spouse.

dictionary fornication noun
for·​ni·​ca·​tion | \ ˌfȯr-nə-ˈkā-shən \
Definition of fornication
: consensual (see CONSENSUAL sense 2) sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other
— compare ADULTERY adultery noun
adul·​tery | \ ə-ˈdəl-t(ə-)rē \
plural adulteries
Definition of adultery
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than that person's current spouse or partner
also : an act of adultery
What’s the difference between adultery and fornication?
In case you were wondering, the words adultery and adult are not etymologically related (in other words, adultery didn’t grow out of adult in the way that punditry grew out of pundit). Although both words come from Latin and share the same first five letters, adultery is from adulterāre (“to pollute, defile, commit adultery”), a word formed ultimately from the Latin elements ad- “to, near” and alter “other.” English adult comes from adultus, which is the past participle of the Latin word adolescere (“to grow up”).

In legal use there is a difference between adultery and fornication. Adultery is only used when at least one of the parties involved (either male or female) is married, whereas fornication may be used to describe two people who are unmarried (to each other or anyone else) engaging in consensual sexual intercourse.[/U][/I][/B]

VOCABULARY: fornication
Fornication is a word for sex, especially sex that takes place outside of marriage. In some religions, fornication is considered a sin.
This is not the kind of word friends use when sitting around talking about sex. This is an old-fashioned word that you can definitely spot in the Bible and other holy books, because it refers to sex that is considered wrong because it is not between a man and a wife. So in the original sense, fornication is a synonym for adultery. But people also humorously use fornication to mean any kind of sex at all.
adultery
Adultery is a word for cheating — cheating on your spouse with another person. Adultery isn’t a crime, but some people consider it a sin.
If two people are dating, and one fools around with someone else, it's not adultery. Only married people can commit adultery. If you commit adultery — and your spouse finds out — then you’ve got a lot of explaining to do. Although it's still highly frowned upon, cultural attitudes toward adultery have changed a lot: the classic book The Scarlet Letter shows how harshly women were once treated for committing adultery.

i could use the Ancient Greek Language but...dont fool me now that you dont know your language...

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

1) Υou dont gave me scripture to support your theory (while i gave you clear Scripture teaching without my own interpretation! Straight pure commands!
2) You gave me a pottibility of what the word means

From Scripture i gave you many verses were Fornication is clear a diferent word than adultery, now look here:
WIKIPEDIA : Fornication is generally consensual sexual intercourse between two people not married to each other.[1][2] When one of the partners to consensual sexual intercourse is a married person, it may be described as adultery.

GOOGLE LEXICON:fornication= sexual intercourse between people not married to each other.
ADULTERY=voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not their spouse.

dictionary fornication noun
for·​ni·​ca·​tion | \ ˌfȯr-nə-ˈkā-shən \
Definition of fornication
: consensual (see CONSENSUAL sense 2) sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other
— compare ADULTERY adultery noun
adul·​tery | \ ə-ˈdəl-t(ə-)rē \
plural adulteries
Definition of adultery
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than that person's current spouse or partner
also : an act of adultery
What’s the difference between adultery and fornication?
In case you were wondering, the words adultery and adult are not etymologically related (in other words, adultery didn’t grow out of adult in the way that punditry grew out of pundit). Although both words come from Latin and share the same first five letters, adultery is from adulterāre (“to pollute, defile, commit adultery”), a word formed ultimately from the Latin elements ad- “to, near” and alter “other.” English adult comes from adultus, which is the past participle of the Latin word adolescere (“to grow up”).

In legal use there is a difference between adultery and fornication. Adultery is only used when at least one of the parties involved (either male or female) is married, whereas fornication may be used to describe two people who are unmarried (to each other or anyone else) engaging in consensual sexual intercourse.[/U][/I][/B]

VOCABULARY: fornication
Fornication is a word for sex, especially sex that takes place outside of marriage. In some religions, fornication is considered a sin.
This is not the kind of word friends use when sitting around talking about sex. This is an old-fashioned word that you can definitely spot in the Bible and other holy books, because it refers to sex that is considered wrong because it is not between a man and a wife. So in the original sense, fornication is a synonym for adultery. But people also humorously use fornication to mean any kind of sex at all.
adultery
Adultery is a word for cheating — cheating on your spouse with another person. Adultery isn’t a crime, but some people consider it a sin.
If two people are dating, and one fools around with someone else, it's not adultery. Only married people can commit adultery. If you commit adultery — and your spouse finds out — then you’ve got a lot of explaining to do. Although it's still highly frowned upon, cultural attitudes toward adultery have changed a lot: the classic book The Scarlet Letter shows how harshly women were once treated for committing adultery.

i could use the Ancient Greek Language but...dont fool me now that you dont know your language...

I did not need to give scripture. I simply offered an alternative interpretation to the scriptures you had already presented.

And it is amazing to see that you consider yourself to be a better expert on languages than those who compiled all the various versions of Bible I cited previously. This is why I cannot take you seriously. You are fringe at best.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I did not need to give scripture. I simply offered as alternative interpretation to the scriptures you had already presented.

And it is amazing to see that you consider yourself to be a better expert on languages than those who compiled all the various versions of Bible I cited previously.This is why I cannot take you seriously. You are fringe at best.

(dont be angry...it is good to know you are wrong ,because then you can know right)
you should just ignore the post but ... You read me ,You ask me , trying to interpret .... so yes this is the Word of God that call your attention ,not me ,the Word is make you mad not me.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Originalist

And it is amazing to see that you consider yourself to be a better expert on languages than those who compiled all the various versions of Bible I cited previously.

Multiple versions with contraditcory meanings.

The corruption version way.