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09-25-2013, 12:01 PM
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Re: Pastors need to get a life.
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Are you Harry Reid? If not, you sure missed a good chance to be with all your gross mis-representations.
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Go kick a can.
I didn't misrepresent anything.
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09-25-2013, 12:10 PM
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Re: Pastors need to get a life.
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Go kick a can.
I didn't misrepresent anything.
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But you did, lad. You did.
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09-25-2013, 12:23 PM
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Re: Pastors need to get a life.
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Our church was around 100 when I started attending nearly 20 years ago. It was never crazy, but it was far more "free" to the spirit. Now I look and we are a bigger church, a nicer building, fantastic music, great technology and IT, and have 400+ members. But it is so controlled, so scheduled, so planned that it almost feels as though God has to basically kick the door down in order to have the "performance" stop and allow Him to just move. We are great at pumping folks up. We know just how to play the right song when needed. We know when to use the right words to get the "cheap pop" from folks. And it sure is professional so the more affluent business types sure do love coming...but I feel like we happily sacrificed the passion and fire to grow and be more professional.
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I've visited churches like this. I visited one church which had a clock with the current time and a digital countdown clock next to each other above the sound booth in the middle of the sanctuary. Everything from the songs to announcements to the message was on a timer. The time I visited this church, someone was using a soundtrack to sing with and when the timer hit zero, the soundman faded the track out and stopped the song. I've never been back to visit.
One thing you and I can agree on is that there are many churches which are too structured and programmed. It's more about making sure the service starts right at 9am and ends at 10am than about letting God move.
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I feel more God in my devotions and times alone in my study with God than I have at church in a LONG time. I love being around the people, the family of God, but I'm just sick of the stupid show we have to go to. I would LOVE for there to be a fiery home church around me, but I know of none. I have considered many times trying to start one, but I have no idea how to do so. The more weary I get with "church" the more I feel I may need to just do it whether I know what I am doing or not.
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If your church is how you described above, I can understand your frustration.
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09-25-2013, 02:36 PM
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Amen!!
I was thinking the other day that it would be interesting to put a commercial on TV or YouTube advertising the opening of "The Church of Simplicity". I would start the commercial with the announcer saying...."Has church become just a little too complicated?". Then a 15 second segment would be run of very short clips of all the excesses that go on in church. Then the announcer would say, "If you are looking for a return the simplicity that is in Christ, then we invite you to worship with us. Worship, the word, and fellowship. We sing hymns and other songs that truly glorify the Lord and that create an atmosphere where His Spirit can minister. We disciple believers and help[ them to reach their communities as Christ commanded. Ninety percent of our ministry occurs outside of our facilities. And we do not take offerings during the service. We provide a drop box and online giving for those who feel led to help us. If you are tired of the church rat race, then come find refuge with us."
If you advertised that for 2 weeks before actually opening, I guarantee you'd have a hundred people your first service.
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Actually this is VERY close to what I'm trying to establish in Decatur. Haven't done a YouTube video but, have an ad running this weekend in the paper. My biggest challenge right now is just starting up I'm working a F/T job and doing jail ministry and home bible studies. I don't have anyone else in the church yet able to share much of the load. Also we don't take a collection, we have a drop box at the back of the sanctuary. But we also don't have anyone gifted with music and so we play songs over the PA system. Definitely a big handicap. But I'm with you in theory. Working it out in practice from the ground up is challenging.
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09-25-2013, 02:43 PM
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Bitter much?
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I guess I fail to understand why some folks seem only able to exercise " tough love". If OP churches choose elders according to the biblical model given in 1 Tim 3 and Titus 1 a lot of men currently in leadership would be disqualified. Perhaps that's why they are so hard on the sheep b/c they don't truly care for the sheep. Instead of actually trying to understand and work something out with others people would rather denigrate them. How Christ like.
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09-25-2013, 02:45 PM
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What was the model of the original?
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Elders (multiple) in every city, not monarchy like ministry.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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09-25-2013, 02:45 PM
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Re: Pastors need to get a life.
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But we also don't have anyone gifted with music and so we play songs over the PA system. Definitely a big handicap.
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Just sing a capella. How can that be a handicap, unless you are looking for a musical entertainment venue?
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09-25-2013, 02:57 PM
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Re: Pastors need to get a life.
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Just sing a capella. How can that be a handicap, unless you are looking for a musical entertainment venue?
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I agree with this. (Coming from someone with "some" musical gifts. We place way too much emphasis on music in church, especially when music service feels like something we in the audience observe instead of participate. If you have someone who can play and sing, but still involve the congregation, great. Otherwise, nothing is wrong with some a capella where everyone participates equally.)
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09-25-2013, 08:13 PM
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Re: Pastors need to get a life.
I hesitate to say anything. I am a pastor and until "you have pastored" you really don't know what all is involved. There are some things posted on this thread that I agree with and some that I do not. But, the thing that stands out most to me is the attitude, or at least the way the attitude comes across with some, on this post. Wow!
Someone said you need to be careful what you post because it goes on the internet forever. Well what we post goes on God's record forever. I can be right in what I say and be wrong in the way I say it.
There are probably some who would vote Jesus out or at the least not like the way He did things. And to the best of my memory Paul would probably have been criticized greatly for his night long preaching, especially when one of the members fell out the window. That would be front page AFF news, now wouldn't it?
And where the music is concerned, have you tried singing acapella while the church down the street has a full music program. A visitor goes to the musical church and then attends the one that is struggling with sound tracks or accapella (how do you spell that word?). Where do you think they are going to go?
My suggestion is this. Until you get your church over the top; whether it be a house church, store front church or a cathedral, don't be critical of those of us who love our congregation, work endless hours for them and the cause of Christ, giving it our best, and yet still find ourselves lacking in some areas.
In fact, let me conclude my remarks by saying, (in a spirit of love), there are some people who will never find a church they can fit in, if they don't change their attitude.
Nuff said!!! May God bless all of you, and I sure hope He blesses me at the same time.
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09-25-2013, 09:08 PM
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