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Old 09-17-2018, 08:19 PM
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As a boy I remember those poundings and the stories surrounding them. However today I know in conservative circles evangelists are well taken care of.
In liberal circles we just buy them a pair of skinny jeans and a Starbucks gift card! LOL!!!!
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:24 PM
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:53 PM
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Both. I teach tithes goes to the ministry. Thus I tithe to the ministry.
Elder Epley, could you elaborate on why you tithe from your tithes? I have heard this but I can’t really see how it reconciles with scripture.

It may help to know if you consider yourself the equivalent of a priest, or a Levite. I understand that the Levites tithed to the priests but the priests in the OT didn’t tithe to anybody, did they?

So, if you consider yourself typified by the OT Priest, what would be the scriptural basis for tithing to the ministry?

And we do know that the singers in the OT received tithes from the Levitical tithe, so do you also tithe to your choir members?

I’d really appreciate some information about this.
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Elder Epley, could you elaborate on why you tithe from your tithes? I have heard this but I can’t really see how it reconciles with scripture.

It may help to know if you consider yourself the equivalent of a priest, or a Levite. I understand that the Levites tithed to the priests but the priests in the OT didn’t tithe to anybody, did they?

So, if you consider yourself typified by the OT Priest, what would be the scriptural basis for tithing to the ministry?

And we do know that the singers in the OT received tithes from the Levitical tithe, so do you also tithe to your choir members?

I’d really appreciate some information about this.
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Old 09-18-2018, 08:02 AM
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Elder Epley, could you elaborate on why you tithe from your tithes? I have heard this but I can’t really see how it reconciles with scripture.

It may help to know if you consider yourself the equivalent of a priest, or a Levite. I understand that the Levites tithed to the priests but the priests in the OT didn’t tithe to anybody, did they?

So, if you consider yourself typified by the OT Priest, what would be the scriptural basis for tithing to the ministry?

And we do know that the singers in the OT received tithes from the Levitical tithe, so do you also tithe to your choir members?

I’d really appreciate some information about this.
The title of the tithe was offered as a heave offering to the Lord. So it makes sense to me. 1Cor.9 uses the tithing chamber as an example of ministerial support. Musicians & singers who get offerings are from the tithe yes.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:31 AM
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The title of the tithe was offered as a heave offering to the Lord.
The tithe of the tithe refers to the Levites' heave offering that was heaved unto the Lord, and was then given to the priests. There is to my knowledge no mention of the priests giving a heave offering once they received the tithe of the tithe.Here is the passage that you seem to be referring to . . .

Numbers 18 KJV
[25] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[26] Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
[27] And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress.
[28] Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD's heave offering to Aaron the priest.
[29] Out of all your gifts ye shall offer every heave offering of the LORD, of all the best thereof, even the hallowed part thereof out of it.
[30] Therefore thou shalt say unto them, When ye have heaved the best thereof from it, then it shall be counted unto the Levites as the increase of the threshingfloor, and as the increase of the winepress.
[31] And ye shall eat it in every place, ye and your households: for it is your reward for your service in the tabernacle of the congregation.
[32] And ye shall bear no sin by reason of it, when ye have heaved from it the best of it: neither shall ye pollute the holy things of the children of Israel, lest ye die.

If you follow the sequence, the general population of Israel was to tithe to the Levites, the Levites offered a heave offering of the tithes (the tenth part) as a heave offering to the LORD, THEN you give the LORD's offering to Aaron the priest, and they (the priests and their households) shall eat it in every place. Neither shall you pollute the holy things of the children of Israel (the tithe was holy) lest you die.



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So it makes sense to me. 1Cor.9 uses the tithing chamber as an example of ministerial support.
The Bible that I typically use (KJV, not saying others aren't okay too), does not mention the tithing chamber in 1 Corinthians 9. Tithe chamber? It is not in thirty one versions of the Bible listed on the Bible Hub for 1 Corinthians 9:13. Did you possibly add that yourself? Is this the Steve Epley NEW and Improved version?



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Musicians & singers who get offerings are from the tithe yes.
Does the Bible (OT) specify that some Levite singers were to receive tithes, while others were not to receive tithes?

Nehemiah 13:5

[5] And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.

It just seems to me that the singers are getting shorted again. Here is another interesting passage concerning singers . . .

[18] All the Levites in the holy city were two hundred fourscore and four.
[19] Moreover the porters, Akkub, Talmon, and their brethren that kept the gates, were an hundred seventy and two.
[20] And the residue of Israel, of the priests, and the Levites, were in all the cities of Judah, every one in his inheritance.
[21] But the Nethinims dwelt in Ophel: and Ziha and Gispa were over the Nethinims.
[22] The overseer also of the Levites at Jerusalem was Uzzi the son of Bani, the son of Hashabiah, the son of Mattaniah, the son of Micha. Of the sons of Asaph, the singers were over the business of the house of God.


And another . . .

[47] And all Israel in the days of Zerubbabel, and in the days of Nehemiah, gave the portions of the singers and the porters, every day his portion: and they sanctified holy things unto the Levites; and the Levites sanctified them unto the children of Aaron.

And another . . .

[10] And I perceived that the portions of the Levites had not been given them: for the Levites and the singers, that did the work, were fled every one to his field

It is really sad . . .

History is repeating itself.

Brother Epley, I really appreciate you at least answering. But, do you consider yourself a priest? or a Levite?

It is relevant because , , ,

The priests only received a tithe of the tithe!
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Tithemuncher you are wrong.

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Tithemuncher you are wrong.

Go lay everything at the feet of your pastor and live communal.
How am I wrong?
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Do you agree?

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Wot has that to do with paying evangelists?
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