El Chapo gave Clinton $15M - Page 2

Steven Avery · #11 03-13-2019, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

So the scrubbing of the article struck me as curious.

Who ran with this news flash and then scrubbed the article?

This url?
http://times.com.mx/
Nothing there.

Did you get fooled by the times.com (before the .mx) ?

That website poked around from 2013-2017, here is a 2013 pic.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131106.../times.com.mx/

The url was sold, and It looks like it had a run of a couple of months in 2017 as a pseudo-news spot, they say there was a leaked audio that the Mexican President would pay for the wall.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170210...-pay-for-wall/

Reddit discussed that article, from another source using times.com.mx, here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...90_percent_of/

There is no substance in the El Chapo article. Somebody said that something happened. Click-bait.

And please, stop using Scopes or FactCheck or the MSM as your excuse.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Fiction? Practically EVERYTHING reported or even thought to be "news" is fiction.

That's an excuse? Please.

Remember, Esaias, it is your credibility that is on the line. If you defend stuff like this, how can we take your good social-political-historical-conspiracy stuff seriously.

Steven

Steven Avery · #12 03-13-2019, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Care to comment on the question of Jackie Kennedy?

Sure.

"Her Tears Never Fell" - according to
Four days : the historical record of the death of President Kennedy (1964)

Picture on Facebook (I can copy it to PureBibleForum)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1687...8552777577335/
hmm, that is not coming up, it is the cover of the book, and the page.

And the Zapruder film remains center-stage, although it was subject to some tampering, other areas were unchanged from the original, and that looks to apply to the Jackie and JFK section.

Jackie had long-term CIA connections, with Richard Dulles, and there was definitely an MK-Ultra type of possibility. She carried a Lambchop puppet into the vehicle that could hold a utensil.

Here is how one fellow in a comment on Youtube spoke of that unusual LBJ inauguration, with Jackie there, no mourning time for the shocked and grieving widow. Johnson had strategically gotten down on the floor of his vehicle. The fellow thought this would have been an appropriate swearing-in:

"I, Lyndon Baines Johnson, do solemnly swear that I did faithfully execute the President of the United States...so help me God"?

btw, there was a bullet hole that went through the Lincoln windshield. The Lincoln, like the rubble of 9/11, as not handled as evidence. The window was fixed in Michigan.

As for Jackie, beloved as a national treasure, our closest equivalent to Princess Di, it can be a bit of a shock to consider this whole question.

The coup of 63.

Michael The Disciple · #13 03-13-2019, 02:54 PM

Jackie shot him. Its plain on the film.

Steven Avery · #14 03-13-2019, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

As for the claim in the article (I simply quoted the headline), that's nothing. The Clintonistas were running tons of cocaine in and out if Arkansas back in the 80s for Papa Bush (Barry Seal, anyone?), these people deal with Noriega level characters and higher, El Chapo wouldn't even get a card for Christmas from them.

Its "nothing" to simply fabricate a bogus claim that they got $15 million from El Chapo?

The fact that you still run with this click-bait fabrication, that you can not simply say "my error, thanks for the correction", works against your credibility.

Esaias · #15 03-13-2019, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Who ran with this news flash and then scrubbed the article?

This url?
http://times.com.mx/
Nothing there.

Did you get fooled by the times.com (before the .mx) ?

That website poked around from 2013-2017, here is a 2013 pic.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131106.../times.com.mx/

The url was sold, and It looks like it had a run of a couple of months in 2017 as a pseudo-news spot, they say there was a leaked audio that the Mexican President would pay for the wall.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170210...-pay-for-wall/

Reddit discussed that article, from another source using times.com.mx, here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...90_percent_of/

There is no substance in the El Chapo article. Somebody said that something happened. Click-bait.

And please, stop using Scopes or FactCheck or the MSM as your excuse.

That's an excuse? Please.

Remember, Esaias, it is your credibility that is on the line. If you defend stuff like this, how can we take your good social-political-historical-conspiracy stuff seriously.

Steven

From my understanding the site was sold and parked in 2018? I'd have to go back to the whois again. It looked like it was sold but remained on the Times' servers.

I already explained I never did nor do I care if Chapo gave Clinton 15 M dollars. That wasn't my point at all in this thread. My original point had to do with the disappearance of the website and article, and the fact that whoever is behind the whole thing isn't playing by the rules that most Christians want to play by, thus the reason "our side" always seems to get the short end of the stick. Because the whole escapade here is part and parcel of the ongoing "information warfare" aka propaganda that all "media" are involved in.

Credibity? I have no credibity here. I'm either a Judaizer or a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews, a misogynist, wayciss, neoconfederate "threat to national security" (yes, I was called that here), I supposedly am a preterist AND a futurist, I post great Bible studies but at the same time I'm cowering in fear and am a fear monger obsessed with chemtrails, I sell tin foil and wear it, too, my God is supposedly a 5' 7" Jewish rabbi floating out beyond Jupiter somewhere, I'm nice to Muslims but want to personally stone heretics and gays, blah blah blah.

I post, y'all decide.

diakonos · #16 03-13-2019, 03:54 PM

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Esaias · #17 03-13-2019, 03:55 PM

JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP:

I DO NOT NOR DID I SAY OR THINK THE POSTED ARCHIVED NEWS ARTICLE WAS ITSELF GOSPEL TRUTH. I HAVE REPEATEDLY STATED ON THIS FORUM THAT ALL SO CALLED "NEWS" DEMANDS AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE OF DISBELIEF AND SUSPICION UNTIL YOU HAVE VERIFIED THINGS FOR YOURSELF.

I am not and did not "defend the article". I apologize if anyone got that impression. Anyone who knows me should already know what I think about mainstream news reports.

Steven Avery · #18 03-13-2019, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

From my understanding the site was sold and parked in 2018? ...It looked like it was sold but remained on the Times' servers.

It was for sale around 2016
https://web.archive.org/web/20160110.../times.com.mx/

Whoever bought it took a short run as:

"The Times
Mexico and the Americas"

With very little content. There are two "content" pages in Archive.org, one in January, one in Feb, 2017.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170122.../times.com.mx/
https://web.archive.org/web/20170215.../times.com.mx/

Do you think "The Times" is anything other than the little web page? Maybe you are still mixing this up as if it was an MSM article that fell down the rabbit hole.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

THE POSTED ARCHIVED NEWS ARTICLE ....what I think about mainstream news reports.

The point I am trying to share is that this is not remotely a "mainstream news report".

It is interesting to see how it got legs in 2019, by a GatewayPundit report, that led to a Lou Dobbs tweet.

Factnet.org does a good job explaining how it came back to life in 2019.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/me...-on-lou-dobbs/

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Meme Pins False Claim On Lou Dobbs
By Saranac Hale Spencer
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...xican-cartels/

On 9 January 2017, the web site Times.com.mx published an article reporting that Mexican Drug kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán had donated millions of dollars to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign, claiming that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange had broken the news.
....

rahm@alongadingdong
Don’t forget el chapo donated 15 million ( that we know about) to the Clinton cartel foundation before his transfer to the US

So the bogus 2017 article became news in 2019. Remember, there is no such report from Assange.

Steven

TakingDominion · #19 03-13-2019, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP:

I DO NOT NOR DID I SAY OR THINK THE POSTED ARCHIVED NEWS ARTICLE WAS ITSELF GOSPEL TRUTH. I HAVE REPEATEDLY STATED ON THIS FORUM THAT ALL SO CALLED "NEWS" DEMANDS AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE OF DISBELIEF AND SUSPICION UNTIL YOU HAVE VERIFIED THINGS FOR YOURSELF.

I am not and did not "defend the article". I apologize if anyone got that impression. Anyone who knows me should already know what I think about mainstream news reports.

Your thread subject line says "El Chapo gave 15m to Clinton", but please keep educating us lower life forms how you were simply pointing out how the fake news article was fake news.

Steven Avery · #20 03-13-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Your thread subject line says "El Chapo gave 15m to Clinton"...

And I did find this an interesting lesson in how real news, possible news, and fake news can all get mixed together.

In the GatewayPundit comments only about two or three really cared about the truth of the El Chapo part, even though it was transparently thin. And I added two comments, but the situation with such garbled information is close to hopeless.