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Old 01-10-2018, 06:48 PM
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The truth of the matter is that (according to the information in the Bible), we do not know why Abraham tithed to Melchizedek. Whatever we teach from the Bible, we should be truthful and thorough about it. The same applies to Jacob. I hear it said a lot (you even said it), that Jacob tithed. Show me where he did. I know of scripture where he promised to, IF god met certain conditions. I am unaware of the Bible ever confirming that he did so.

Concerning Abraham, there is a Biblical fact that is seldom mentioned. He promised God that he would not keep any of the spoils for himself. Why is this not expounded on by they who teach that we should tithe because Abraham (Abram) did? If we are to tithe, because Abram did so, and we should follow his example, why is it not taught that we should find some wicked, sinful, homosexual person of power to give nine tithes to. This would follow the example of Abram.

There is never a hint that God told Abram to tithe. There is never a hint that Jacob actually tithed. There is never a hint that anyone in the Bible ever tithed money, including Abram, Jacob, the Hebrews, or anybody else. To pretend that there is, is speculation. To say that there is, is deception.
Question, if Jacob did tithe, who did he tithe to?
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:55 PM
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Question, if Jacob did tithe, who did he tithe to?
To whom do the scriptures say he tithed?

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Old 01-10-2018, 07:16 PM
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To whom do the scriptures say he tithed?

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The scripture doesn’t say he tithed.
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The scripture doesn’t say he tithed.

Well he DID give a lot of stuff to Esau.....
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Well he DID give a lot of stuff to Esau.....
I believe that it is significant that people who want to teach that tithing is for today, will go back beyond the law of Moses concerning tithing, AFTER they concede that we are no longer under the law.

When they go back to the pre-law tithing, there are only two occasions that they can point to. Abram, when he tithed to Melchizedek, and Jacob, when he PROMISED to tithe to God, IF God met some conditions that JACOB proposed.

The short answer to these is that Abram tithed once, on the spoils of war.

Jacob never tithed at all, as far as the Bible is concerned, he only promised to.

So, concerning Abram, it would be truthful to say that if we follow his example, we should tithe on the spoils of war, at least once. If we have no spoils of war, honesty would prescribe that we teach that we would NOT tithe. If the conditions are not met, then the reaction to the conditions would not be met.

Concerning Jacob promising to tithe. How would you even be able to teach tithing at all from his example? There is no example of his ever tithing! Maybe you could teach something about negotiating with God from this passage, but I can't see teaching tithing from a passage that never verifies that he actually did so.

The next thing that those that blindly teach tithing will say is that tithing never stopped after Abram tithed. This is simply untrue. We have an example of war spoils giving in Numbers chapter 31.

In this example there is a crucial difference to Abrams tithing. God commanded Moses and Eleazar what to give and how much to give of the spoils. How big a deal is this? It is huge! In one example (Abram's) we are left to wonder why he gave. People are full of speculation, it seems. In the other example (Moses), there is NO need to speculate. We have it in black and white. The evidence is clear. There is no doubt. The offering was one in five hundred, (if you were of those who actually went to war), or one in fifty, (if you were of the general population who did not go to war). And . . .

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Numbers 31:31


[31] And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.


This was a clear cut commandment of God concerning the giving of an offering on the spoils of war.

Why do preachers of tithing not teach on this clear example?

Is it because it clearly proposes something that they don't want people to believe?

This example occurred before the major portion of the Mosaic Law went into effect, (before the Hebrews entered the promised land), but even if the law had been in effect, it would have made no difference. The tithing law did not affect spoils of war.
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Well he DID give a lot of stuff to Esau.....
He tithed to the guy that God hated?

God hates tithing recipients?
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He tithed to the guy that God hated?

God hates tithing recipients?
I don’t believe God hates tithing recipients.

He just hates their sinful ways!
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