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Old 08-20-2014, 05:47 AM
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ISIS Beheads American Journalist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arning-US.html

This is what Islam taken to its extreme has in store for EVERY HUMAN BEING ON EARTH!

Christians are target number one. Yet ALL who will not convert will be likewise killed.
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Old 08-20-2014, 06:40 AM
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As this man was forced to renounce his American heritage many will deny Christ when it comes here.

We need to learn to die to self that we may confess Christ all the way through.

Sorry for this mans family must be total shock and grief.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:11 AM
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They also have a second American journalist who they say is next. My wife asked me why he would say the things he said if he knew they were going to kill him. I believe since he was captive for two years it was either the Stockholm syndrome at work of perhaps they lied and told him that once he said those things they would give him a reprieve.

In any case MIchael is correct this is the thoughts and wishes of tens of millions of radical Muslims in the world when it comes to Westerners. While it is true that not all Musllims are radical it is estimated that up to 30% are. Even if that numer is inflated and overall it is just 10% the result is still tens of millions of people intent on the destruction of Christians and Western Society.

It is disheartening for me to see my town of 100,000 people in the Southeastern United States that the local Mosque I pass every day has a parking lot jammed with over 100 cars during their services. How anyone living in America and supposedly embracing American values could be a part of Islam is beyond me.
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As this man was forced to renounce his American heritage many will deny Christ when it comes here.

We need to learn to die to self that we may confess Christ all the way through.

Sorry for this mans family must be total shock and grief.
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it is much nearer than most think....
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This may stir up strong feelings and contrary responses, but we shouldn't write these people off so quickly as deranged madmen who unjustifiably hate the West.

Consider that since the invasion of Iraq by the USA in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein, there have been nearly 150,000 civilian casualties.

Source: https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

If you had an invading, occupying force, through collateral damage, kill that many people in your homeland, how much hatred would get stirred up in your heart?

Factor in then, all the ideological differences, especially religious differences, and you have a group of people that feel no moral compunction at all in killing their enemies.

Is it justified? Not at all. But is it understandable? Through their p.o.v., I think yes, very much so.
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This may stir up strong feelings and contrary responses, but we shouldn't write these people off so quickly as deranged madmen who unjustifiably hate the West.

Consider that since the invasion of Iraq by the USA in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein, there have been nearly 150,000 civilian casualties.

Source: https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

If you had an invading, occupying force, through collateral damage, kill that many people in your homeland, how much hatred would get stirred up in your heart?

Factor in then, all the ideological differences, especially religious differences, and you have a group of people that feel no moral compunction at all in killing their enemies.

Is it justified? Not at all. But is it understandable? Through their p.o.v., I think yes, very much so.
Bro...ISIS are not Iraqi. Most of ISIS are foreign fighters. They started off fighting in Syria and their goal is to form a Caliphate, not to get revenge for all those civilian deaths. What does killing other Iraqis have to do with it anyways?

A LOT of civilian deaths are by other Muslims

If you click the link and go to the first page it lists deaths without attributing them to anyone.
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Bro...ISIS are not Iraqi. Most of ISIS are foreign fighters. They started off fighting in Syria and their goal is to form a Caliphate, not to get revenge for all those civilian deaths. What does killing other Iraqis have to do with it anyways?

A LOT of civilian deaths are by other Muslims

If you click the link and go to the first page it lists deaths without attributing them to anyone.
Arab people of the Middle-east, and especially Muslims, do not consider national identity the chief unifying cultural factor. It doesn't matter how many people in ISIS are actual citizens of Iraq. That isn't the rallying point.

And yes, a Caliphate is the ultimate goal, and yes, it appears they will stop at nothing, unless stopped by force, to achieve their goals.

But something else has to be understood here. Arab peoples are highly group-orientated thinkers, culturally speaking. The "I" disappears in favor of the "Us". Look at a funeral procession some time and take note how there will be 1,000 people in the street, all sobbing and wailing for the death of someone they didn't even know.

For group-minded people (something the West just doesn't have much of) what happens to one member of the group, happens to all members of the group. So, if one nation is suffering catastrophic civilian casualties because an invading force has been waging war there for 11 years, then all people in the region will feel the war is being waged against them, even if no deaths have occurred inside of their borders.

Which brings me to the original post. Why was an American citizen murdered? It's more than just savagery in their eyes. It's retaliation, small as it may be, against an over the sea enemy who dared to drop even a single bomb against people they consider their brothers.

How many Iraqi civilians were killed by the US only? No one knows. But if the US had not have invaded at all, then the answer would be ZERO. Hence, America will be blamed for every death in Iraq since 2003.

None of this is okay or ought to be given a pass. Hatred blinds all eyes. But ISIS would have no agenda against the US right now if we had not invaded Iraq. But we did, and that makes us an enemy. Automatically.

Our relationship with Israel, of course, plays a significant part, as well. But as long as we stayed on our side of the ocean, the people radical Muslims attacked and killed were Jewish people of Israel, Muslims of whatever minority view, or other ethnic groups not associated with being believers in and worshipers of, Allah. Now that we're on the ground, and have been for years, American and it's citizens in the Middle-east are targets.

The goal is terror, to scare us into leaving the country and region, and so, not be able to stop them from escalating their victories into the creation of a triumphant Caliphate.
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This may stir up strong feelings and contrary responses, but we shouldn't write these people off so quickly as deranged madmen who unjustifiably hate the West.

Consider that since the invasion of Iraq by the USA in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein, there have been nearly 150,000 civilian casualties.

Source: https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

If you had an invading, occupying force, through collateral damage, kill that many people in your homeland, how much hatred would get stirred up in your heart?

Factor in then, all the ideological differences, especially religious differences, and you have a group of people that feel no moral compunction at all in killing their enemies.

Is it justified? Not at all. But is it understandable? Through their p.o.v., I think yes, very much so.
Here we go with the blame America mantra. It's not America's fault these deranged madmen, yes they are, are going around killing every Christian, Muslim or anyone else who doesn't believe exactly how they believe.

What did America have to do with the Iraqi's these barbarians have slaughtered? The Kurds forced to flee to the mountains? Syrians? Other Arabs? I bet a lot of the people these animals killed hated the West like they do.

Blaming America for ISIS' actions is like blaming America for Hitler's extermination of the Jews.
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