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Old 03-20-2017, 05:24 PM
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Look, you're obviously not understanding that I'm just relaying what I've heard from a number of folks.
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So, you don't think the Irish had a great laugh at Trump's "Irish Proverb" which he tried to share with the Irish Prime Minister??? What is so funny is that the proverb isn't Irish. It was written by a Nigerian poet... who happens to be MUSLIM! ROFL!!!!
Have you visited all 57 states like obama?

Note to Trump: be careful who you trust, especially at the State Dept. """the proverb was supplied in an email on March 8 by the State Department via the National Security Council "as building blocks in advances of this event.""" (via CNN)

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Germany has been a buzz about how shameful it was that Trump didn't even Shake Merkel's hand when they greeted one another.
Really? He didn't shake her hand? I must have been imaging things when Trump shook her hand after she arrived at the WH. And I must have been seeing things when Trump shook her hand at their joint press conference.

Incredible what the msm chooses to report or not report. He didn't shake her hand a third time at the photo op, so they lie and claim he never shook her hand.

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They also were rather put off by how Trump implied that they are asking America to contribute too much to NATO and how America isn't getting a good deal out of it. Their points were rather strong. First, the United States sets the amount we wish to contribute based on our interests. Second, it's not a business transaction, it is a treaty agreement to protect mutual interests from outside threats.
Actually, during obama's reign, the NATO countries agreed to giving 2% GDP from each NATO country. This wasn't solely the decision of the US. Thus far, the only ones keeping to the agreement are the United States, Britain, Greece, Poland and Estonia. Germany is not contributing what they agreed to contribute -- ie, they're breaking the terms of the treaty. America isn't getting a good deal. The US is responsible for 70% of the NATO budget. Tell me you really think that's a good deal?

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Hey, look.... Let's just pretend that everyone throughout Europe and the rest of the world just LOVES Trump.
Never said they "LOVE" Trump. I just questioned how you could claim to feel the "tension in the air" when you haven't been there in a decade.
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:46 AM
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Never said they "LOVE" Trump. I just questioned how you could claim to feel the "tension in the air" when you haven't been there in a decade.
No, it's true. They absolutely adore Trump. Millions have marched in solidarity for our glorious leader in major cities all around the world. He's probably the best loved President since Roosevelt or even Kennedy. They are constantly mentioning how his policies are rather progressive and will serve America well; leading the way globally in human rights, labor standards, environmental standards, technology, clean energy, and even modern infrastructure for the coming century. Trump is truly amazing and is beloved throughout the world.
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No, it's true. They absolutely adore Trump. Millions have marched in solidarity for our glorious leader in major cities all around the world. He's probably the best loved President since Roosevelt or even Kennedy. They are constantly mentioning how his policies are rather progressive and will serve America well; leading the way globally in human rights, labor standards, environmental standards, technology, clean energy, and even modern infrastructure for the coming century. Trump is truly amazing and is beloved throughout the world.
You're conflating two disparate issues. On the one hand, you made the claim that after Trump was elected there was "tension" for Americans overseas. On the other hand, you try to waive that claim off by pretending all the time you were talking about Trump being loved overseas. Trump doesn't have to loved (or even liked) for there not to be "tension" for travelers abroad.
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You're conflating two disparate issues. On the one hand, you made the claim that after Trump was elected there was "tension" for Americans overseas. On the other hand, you try to waive that claim off by pretending all the time you were talking about Trump being loved overseas. Trump doesn't have to loved (or even liked) for there not to be "tension" for travelers abroad.
There's no tension.
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And if you're an American traveler, you can almost feel the tension in the air because we've become rather unpopular.
You were saying?
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Its a right if we the people say it is
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Its a right if we the people say it is
Which would mean rights are determined by majority rule. So, if a majority of people say you have no right to live, for example, then you don't.

Pure humanism.

Oh, and who speaks for "we the people"? The dictatorship of the proletariat? The Queen? Google? Congress? Some guy on utube? Some DARPA AI program?
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So those people who spend 100's of thousands of dollars of their own money to go to medical school and learn to be doctors, nurses, EMT's, etc; they're required to provide their services for free because other people decided it was a right?

Health care is a service, not a right.
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Its a right if we the people say it is
An additional thought, does that extend to other areas of life?

What if "we the people" decided a quarter pounder with cheese was a right? Everyone has to eat, so are we then privilege to free cheeseburgers?

What if "we the people" decided owning a car was a right? Are we then all privilege to a free car? After all, we've all got places to be.

What if "we the people" decide owning a home is a right? We all need a roof over our head, and it would eliminate the homeless. Are we then privilege to a free home?

That's a very slippery slope to start down, when you make the labor of others into a right.
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An additional thought, does that extend to other areas of life?

What if "we the people" decided a quarter pounder with cheese was a right? Everyone has to eat, so are we then privilege to free cheeseburgers?

What if "we the people" decided owning a car was a right? Are we then all privilege to a free car? After all, we've all got places to be.

What if "we the people" decide owning a home is a right? We all need a roof over our head, and it would eliminate the homeless. Are we then privilege to a free home?

That's a very slippery slope to start down, when you make the labor of others into a right.
Exactly. "We the People" must follow Constitutional law in order to create new rights. In fact, the term "We the People" in the preamble is not referring to the people of America in the aggregate, but to the people as comprising a number of sovereign States.
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