Thoughts?: Islam vs. Christianity

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't see how 'Translation' is an objection, unless ya'll say we must only use Greek and Hebrew???

As for 'outdated, archaic language', are you saying you cannot understand the English used in the King James version?

How the KJV translates the Greek and Hebrew. Some of the reasons for that are advances in our understanding of koine/biblical Greek and ancient Hebrew/Aramaic that they did not have back then

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How the KJV translates the Greek and Hebrew. Some of the reasons for that are advances in our understanding of koine/biblical Greek and ancient Hebrew/Aramaic that they did not have back then

Examples?

BTW, you said 'archaic, outdated language'. That means the English used in the KJV is 'archaic, outdated'. That is a different claim than 'advances in our understanding of Greek/Hebrew have made us aware the KJV is INCORRECT in it's translation', which is what you seem to be implying now.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Examples?

BTW, you said 'archaic, outdated language'. That means the English used in the KJV is 'archaic, outdated'.

Correct

That is a different claim than 'advances in our understanding of Greek/Hebrew have made us aware the KJV is INCORRECT in it's translation', which is what you seem to be implying now.

That is what I originally said Brother. Im not implying anything new


There are TWO different issues. An English language nobody uses anymore AND translation.

[Fraxeas]

Regardless of that; a lexicon cannot lie, but only expand truth:
http://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_john/5-7.htm
Strong's #s, etc. All right there.
Note "Aramaic Bible in Plain English" translation, equally as valid as the others?

[Walks_in_islam]

The KJV is hopelessly full of discrepencies and the passages were tweaked during interpretation.

Most of what Jesus did or taught has been lost and his teachings were replaced with a religion created by people who came after Him and who did not know Him. After hundreds of years of straight faced pretending that it is an "infallable document" and forcing it down the throats of millions the churches are just now starting to admit this.

No apologies can be found on behalf of those millions. Hell however is probably full of those who sent them down the wrong paths

As to examples the descrepencies have been discussed on these boards at length. You can probably search descrepency and find the discussions. There are too many examples to list.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Examples?

BTW, you said 'archaic, outdated language'. That means the English used in the KJV is 'archaic, outdated'. That is a different claim than 'advances in our understanding of Greek/Hebrew have made us aware the KJV is INCORRECT in it's translation', which is what you seem to be implying now.

[Aquila]

Some of the discrepancies in the Bible have troubled me for some time. Not to mention how the more and more I'm in this the more and more I realize that nearly no single Christian entirely agrees and we all condemn one another to Hell for it. It's confusion.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Some of the discrepancies in the Bible have troubled me for some time. Not to mention how the more and more I'm in this the more and more I realize that nearly no single Christian entirely agrees and we all condemn one another to Hell for it. It's confusion.

Speak for yourself. WE don't ALL condemn one another to hell for it. That's your little world.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Speak for yourself. WE don't ALL condemn one another to hell for it. That's your little world.

You've never condemned another fellow Christian that disagreed with you?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Speak for yourself. WE don't ALL condemn one another to hell for it. That's your little world.

Sure you do. You have a specific idea of what "salvation" is and outside of the path that you have laid out for it in your mind those who do not follow that path are condemned.

This is despite numerous accounts by those outside that path who have been across the river, and come back, and have not gone to hell. This itself should tell you that you are and have been wrong. Perhaps you should study those accounts.

[Pressing-On]

This is from 2007, but he says some relevant things here.

"We have had two great advantages. The one is that Christ actually embeds in the NT that you give to Caesar what is Caesars, and you give to God what is Gods. So, there is a duality in the Christian model that does not exist in the Muslim model. The other advantage that we have had is that starting with the Reformation and the Counter-Reformation, we have collided with Modernity and we have adjusted."

Islam, Religious Violence and Modernity