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Old 05-22-2012, 03:56 PM
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A Hebrew or Greek NT?

Nothing in the "New Testament" was ever meant to be read out of context, by people from another culture ignorant of the Hebrew meaning to the words and the concepts behind them, and replacing this with their own personal meaning. Nor were any of the "New Testament" documents ever meant to stand on their own, apart from being interpreted in the context of the Torah (God's direct revelation/instruction), which of course came first.

http://www.yashanet.com/studies/matstudy/mat3b.htm

Mmm-hmm; ty internet. Anyone have a copy of the NT
translated from Hebrew, by any chance? Ty
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:58 PM
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

the are Greek written documents by Hebrews conveying Hebrew idioms and other thought
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

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the are Greek written documents by Hebrews conveying Hebrew idioms and other thought
Ya; I'm interested in cutting out the middle-man here.

There are many "New Testament" verses that are very hard, if not impossible, to understand without knowledge of the deeper teachings of the Judaism of that day. There are also many places where Yeshua and Paul quote from Jewish literature as shown elsewhere in this study.
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

A fairly well-known one:
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

In these verses we have Yeshua speaking about money, and not making it more important than God. Note that He begins speaking about money, then says something about "an evil eye," then finishes His statement about money. If this were penned in Greek originally, you would have to ask, "Why this odd verse about an "evil eye" in the midst of a money topic?" It makes no sense. However, if you happen to know that having an "evil eye" is a Hebrew idiom of that time for "being stingy with your money," then, a) the passage makes sense, and b) you realize it HAD to be written in Hebrew first, then whoever translated it into Greek, (unaware of the idiom), simply took it word-for-word from Hebrew into the Greek.
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

The Jewish New Testament, by David Stern
available on Amazon.
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

I was thinking somewhat along the same vein. Here's something that

troubles me, tho. If "the word was God" and God is definately a

person that keeps His word, would he require us to be a greek

or Hebrew scholar (or worse to depend upon one if we aren't)

to understand what He wants to tell us? I think faith comes into

play here. If you're sincerely seeking to understand His word

His spirit will lead and guide you to the interpretation. Moreover

it can be hid from the wise and prudent...
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

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The Jewish New Testament, by David Stern
available on Amazon.
It is translated from Greek manuscripts into the Hebrew. I have one.
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Re: A Hebrew or Greek NT?

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It is translated from Greek manuscripts into the Hebrew. I have one.
Well dang. Ya, I was just catching up to you there.
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/JNT/jnt.html

So--lol--there is no such thing as a Bible translated from
Hebrew to English by an unbiased scholar?
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It is translated from Greek manuscripts into the Hebrew. I have one.
And do you find it illuminating, or would a Jewish commentary serve as well?
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I was thinking somewhat along the same vein. Here's something that

troubles me, tho. If "the word was God" and God is definately a

person that keeps His word, would he require us to be a greek

or Hebrew scholar (or worse to depend upon one if we aren't)

to understand what He wants to tell us? I think faith comes into

play here. If you're sincerely seeking to understand His word

His spirit will lead and guide you to the interpretation. Moreover

it can be hid from the wise and prudent...
Amen. Then would a "primitive text" be better?
(the critique i just posted a link for mentions
that the guy is Jewish, and so has some biases
at what a Christian might consider critical verses.)
Anybody have one of those?
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