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Old 01-11-2019, 09:14 AM
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Oneness vs Monotheism

Hi! I want to speak and ask your thoughts or experiences abut this subject.
Maybe for some this is a small thing and looks like a game with words but for me and i think every Christian is a dangerous matter of hell!
Some times i listened preachers who tried to teach "oneness" and that is just an Old heresy called Modalism.
They Believe in One God, they believe that Jesus is God ,but they dont kknow to brake it down from the Bible.
They say that:
God the Father came AS a man..
God became man!
God changed modes and spoke sometimes as the Son come as the Father...
That God changed ROLES!!!!Acting that is a man!
That God the Father has the Office of the Sonship!!!!! Nonsense!

So you know what i mean?

The Bible never said those things that make God a liar!
God did not became a man!
God did anythong AS the Son ,but only THFOUGH the Son
The Son of God is the man Jesus who is named like that becuase He is the Son .
Nowhere in the Bible sayd that the man Chrsit was the Father...not a single verse! ALLL Bible ,even John Gospel "is writen to believe that Jesus IS the Son of God".
and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Amen. Is someone ever had this issue in his life-church etc?
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:08 AM
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Re: Oneness vs Monotheism

Man thanks for showing me this I now see I have been teach it wrong the whole time.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:55 PM
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Re: Oneness vs Monotheism

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Hi! I want to speak and ask your thoughts or experiences abut this subject.
Maybe for some this is a small thing and looks like a game with words but for me and i think every Christian is a dangerous matter of hell!
Some times i listened preachers who tried to teach "oneness" and that is just an Old heresy called Modalism.
They Believe in One God, they believe that Jesus is God ,but they dont kknow to brake it down from the Bible.
They say that:
God the Father came AS a man..
God became man!
God changed modes and spoke sometimes as the Son come as the Father...
That God changed ROLES!!!!Acting that is a man!
That God the Father has the Office of the Sonship!!!!! Nonsense!

So you know what i mean?

The Bible never said those things that make God a liar!
God did not became a man!
God did anythong AS the Son ,but only THFOUGH the Son
The Son of God is the man Jesus who is named like that becuase He is the Son .
Nowhere in the Bible sayd that the man Chrsit was the Father...not a single verse! ALLL Bible ,even John Gospel "is writen to believe that Jesus IS the Son of God".
and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Amen. Is someone ever had this issue in his life-church etc?
Is Jesus God? Or no?
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:03 PM
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Re: Oneness vs Monotheism

I thought Jesus was the Father and the Son? Isaiah 9:6.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:20 PM
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True Modalism

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Old 01-12-2019, 02:58 AM
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I thought Jesus was the Father and the Son? Isaiah 9:6.
Yes Jesus is the Son and receive his name from His Father. The Father is nit the Son.
Father = Deity
Son=Humanity
Like you said Jesus is both Father and Son. Father did not became the Son, neither the son is his father too.amen
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Old 01-12-2019, 02:59 AM
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Is Jesus God? Or no?
Hi brother ,how are you? (i hope you do well)
From your question i can understand that you dont understood what i mean. So may you do the same mistake as i described (i am not sure,i just ask).
Ye Jesus is God Almighty.
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:40 AM
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Yes Jesus is the Son and receive his name from His Father. The Father is nit the Son.
Father = Deity
Son=Humanity
Like you said Jesus is both Father and Son. Father did not became the Son, neither the son is his father too.amen
If the Father did not become the Son who is this talking about?

1 Tim. 3:16

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It SEEMS to me that the Father became the Son while ALSO remaining the Father. In other words he was living in two modes of being SIMULTANEOUSLY.
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:52 AM
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Yes Jesus is the Father. We are not talking about two spirits and one manifesting in the flesh. We are talking about one spirit "God" manifesting in the flesh. This is the mystery of the incarnation, God became a man I.e. was made flesh and dwelt among us. If you believe Jesus is God and you believe He is that one Spirit manifest in flesh I don't see how you would conclude Jesus is not the Father.
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:54 AM
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Yes Jesus is the Father. We are not talking about two spirits and one manifesting in the flesh. We are talking about one spirit "God" manifesting in the flesh. This is the mystery of the incarnation, God became a man I.e. was made flesh and dwelt among us. If you believe Jesus is God and you believe He is that one Spirit manifest in flesh I don't see how you would conclude Jesus is not the Father.
First of all , i din not said Jesus is not the Father, Is both the Father and the Son.Father is Spirit,deity and Son is man,humanity.|
God did not became a man.
God came IN flesh.
In the doctrine of Christ we have One God and His Son.
That is how God manifest in flesh. Inside His Son
And tha is why :and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
God never became a man. The man Jesus had temptation kust like me and you, but he did not sin! He wan the World!
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
But God is not a man. for God cannot be tempted with evil

The one Spirit (Father) manifest IN (inside) His Son. That is why we come to Him only THROUGH His Son.
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