The REAL problem with Islam

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

LOL I'll help you!

http://www.islamic.org.uk/internalc.html

That way you don't have to cut and paste

The link does not address the 'say not three' sura, nor does it address whether or not Mohammed saw Allah (twice, possibly 3 times!) who cannot be seen.

I copy and paste simply to save typing and prevent typos. The selection from hadith was definitely too long to duplicate manually, which would have allowed for errors.

I did not, however, simply copy and paste an entire block of text from a website, I only copied and pasted the texts of the relevant suras/hadith.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Antisemitism

• Pew survey finds all 7 Muslim-majority nations polled have a negative opinion of Jews (2-9% positive).

• Antisemitic incidents around the world more than doubled in 2009 over the previous year.

• Pew survey finds 100% of Jordanians have either "somewhat unfavorable" or "very unfavorable" views of Jews.

Most violent attacks on Jews in Western Europe comes from people of Arab/Muslim heritage. (read more)

Conspiracy Theories

• 2011 Pew poll finds 1 out of every 10 Muslim American thinks President Obama is really a Muslim.

• 46% of UK Muslims believe "the Jewish community in Britain is in league with the Freemasons to control the media and politics."

• 64% in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, and Indonesia believe it is US foreign policy to spread Christianity in the Middle-East.

Most Muslims in all 8 nations polled in 2011 believe 9/11 attacks were not by Arabs (57-75%). (read more)

ducation & Employment

• Under the Ottoman empire, worldwide Muslim literacy rates were only 2 to 3% in the early nineteenth century.

• 6 out of 10 Muslims worldwide still cannot read (as opposed to only 2 out of 10 people in "Christendom")

• Nearly 1 in 3 people in the Arab world are illiterate, including nearly half of all women.

• Muslims in Denmark make up 5% of the population but receive 40% of social-welfare outlays. (read more)

Health & Disability

• A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred.

• Muslim countries have the highest obesity rates among women and 70% of women in the Gulf states are obese.

• 21 out of 22 countries most affected by birth defects per 1000 live births are Muslim majority countries.

Almost a 1/4 of Muslims say they would only donate an organ if it was going to another Muslim. (read more)

Honor Violence

• 91 percent of all honor-related killings around the world are carried out by Muslims (84% in US, 96% in Europe).

• The number of honor killings in Pakistan are estimated to be around 2,500 to 3,000 cases every year.

• Nearly 3,000 honor attacks mainly carried out against Muslim women were recorded by British police in 2010.

More than two-thirds of all murders in the Gaza Strip and West Bank are honor killings. (read more)

Persecution

• There are 7 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.

• 9 of the top 10 persecutors of Christians are Islamic countries. Of the top 50 countries, only 12 have a source other than Islam.

• Turkey tops list of countries violating the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) for 3 consecutive years.

As of 2010, Indonesia had over 150 religiously motivated regulations restricting minorities’ rights. (read more)

Pornography

• Google survey finds mostly Muslim states seek access to sex-related websites (they rank 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 & 8 in the top 10).

• Iranians made the highest number of visits to "immoral sites" on Ashura Day.

• Approximately 2 million online users watch pornographic films each minute in Turkey.

Pakistan ranked No. 1 in searches for "child sex," "animal sex," "rape sex," "camel sex," "dog sex," "rape video." (read more)


Shari'ah

• 1 out of 3 British Muslims aged 16 to 24 believe that Muslim apostates should be executed.

• Majority of worlds Muslims favor changing laws in their countries to allow stoning/amputation for "crimes", and death for apostasy.

• Only 26% of Muslims in Turkey say they would adhere to laws passed by Parliament if it contradicted religious laws.

Poll finds neither education nor age explains attitudes toward the role of Shari’ah in legislation. (read more)

Terrorism

• 2012 report finds the majority of world's terrorism committed by Muslims. Almost 9000 deaths caused by Sunni terrorists in 2011.

• Esposito/Mogahed find almost 4 out of 10 Muslims worldwide are extremists who think 9/11 was totally/partially/somewhat justified.

• More than 95% of all suicide bombing attacks conducted worldwide are carried out by Muslims.

2011 Study finds no link between poverty and support for militant Islamic groups. (read more)

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics

Don't confuse WII, with the facts, he generates his own.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Antisemitism

• Pew survey finds all 7 Muslim-majority nations polled have a negative opinion of Jews (2-9% positive).

• Antisemitic incidents around the world more than doubled in 2009 over the previous year.

• Pew survey finds 100% of Jordanians have either "somewhat unfavorable" or "very unfavorable" views of Jews.

Most violent attacks on Jews in Western Europe comes from people of Arab/Muslim heritage. (read more)

Conspiracy Theories

• 2011 Pew poll finds 1 out of every 10 Muslim American thinks President Obama is really a Muslim.

• 46% of UK Muslims believe "the Jewish community in Britain is in league with the Freemasons to control the media and politics."

• 64% in Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, and Indonesia believe it is US foreign policy to spread Christianity in the Middle-East.

Most Muslims in all 8 nations polled in 2011 believe 9/11 attacks were not by Arabs (57-75%). (read more)

ducation & Employment

• Under the Ottoman empire, worldwide Muslim literacy rates were only 2 to 3% in the early nineteenth century.

• 6 out of 10 Muslims worldwide still cannot read (as opposed to only 2 out of 10 people in "Christendom")

• Nearly 1 in 3 people in the Arab world are illiterate, including nearly half of all women.

• Muslims in Denmark make up 5% of the population but receive 40% of social-welfare outlays. (read more)

Health & Disability

• A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred.

• Muslim countries have the highest obesity rates among women and 70% of women in the Gulf states are obese.

• 21 out of 22 countries most affected by birth defects per 1000 live births are Muslim majority countries.

Almost a 1/4 of Muslims say they would only donate an organ if it was going to another Muslim. (read more)

Honor Violence

• 91 percent of all honor-related killings around the world are carried out by Muslims (84% in US, 96% in Europe).

• The number of honor killings in Pakistan are estimated to be around 2,500 to 3,000 cases every year.

• Nearly 3,000 honor attacks mainly carried out against Muslim women were recorded by British police in 2010.

More than two-thirds of all murders in the Gaza Strip and West Bank are honor killings. (read more)

Persecution

• There are 7 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.

• 9 of the top 10 persecutors of Christians are Islamic countries. Of the top 50 countries, only 12 have a source other than Islam.

• Turkey tops list of countries violating the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) for 3 consecutive years.

As of 2010, Indonesia had over 150 religiously motivated regulations restricting minorities’ rights. (read more)

Pornography

• Google survey finds mostly Muslim states seek access to sex-related websites (they rank 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 & 8 in the top 10).

• Iranians made the highest number of visits to "immoral sites" on Ashura Day.

• Approximately 2 million online users watch pornographic films each minute in Turkey.

Pakistan ranked No. 1 in searches for "child sex," "animal sex," "rape sex," "camel sex," "dog sex," "rape video." (read more)


Shari'ah

• 1 out of 3 British Muslims aged 16 to 24 believe that Muslim apostates should be executed.

• Majority of worlds Muslims favor changing laws in their countries to allow stoning/amputation for "crimes", and death for apostasy.

• Only 26% of Muslims in Turkey say they would adhere to laws passed by Parliament if it contradicted religious laws.

Poll finds neither education nor age explains attitudes toward the role of Shari’ah in legislation. (read more)

Terrorism

• 2012 report finds the majority of world's terrorism committed by Muslims. Almost 9000 deaths caused by Sunni terrorists in 2011.

• Esposito/Mogahed find almost 4 out of 10 Muslims worldwide are extremists who think 9/11 was totally/partially/somewhat justified.

• More than 95% of all suicide bombing attacks conducted worldwide are carried out by Muslims.

2011 Study finds no link between poverty and support for militant Islamic groups. (read more)

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics

What are you trying to prove with these facts? Again, I am not defending Islam and Muslims. Why dont we stick to discussing theology and not acts that believers commit. If you want to do that, I can rest assure you that the Christian faith can be made to look bad as well.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

What are you trying to prove with these facts? Again, I am not defending Islam and Muslims. Why dont we stick to discussing theology and not acts that believers commit. If you want to do that, I can rest assure you that the Christian faith can be made to look bad as well.

Im trying to educate WII who constantly points out how bad America is statistically with statistics on Islamic countries.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention but that IS what WII has already done

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im trying to educate WII who constantly points out how bad America is statistically with statistics on Islamic countries.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention but that IS what WII has already done

Well both of you [removed by Admin]. lets just stick to theological issues.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

Well both of you [removed by Admin]. lets just stick to theological issues.

Why not simply acknowledge the fact that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today? If you know of a religion in today's world which is more violent than Islam, please let us know what it is.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Why not simply acknowledge the fact that Islam is the most violent religion on the face of the earth today? If you know of a religion in today's world which is more violent than Islam, please let us know what it is.

Because Islam is not violent at its core. Radical Muslims are. Like I said, lets list some things that Christians have done and that list will make Christianity look bad. Do you understand that concept? I used to gangbang on Friday and Sat and speak in tongues on Sunday. Does that mean Christianity is violent? I could claim to be a Christian and step outside of GOD's word and do violent things. Who looks bad? Me or Jesus? Like I said, lets stick to scripture vs scripture. Theology v theology. Like I said, I am not sticking up for Islam. I just think we should be logical about this.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

Because Islam is not violent at its core. Radical Muslims are. Like I said, lets list some things that Christians have done and that list will make Christianity look bad. Do you understand that concept? I used to gangbang on Friday and Sat and speak in tongues on Sunday. Does that mean Christianity is violent? I could claim to be a Christian and step outside of GOD's word and do violent things. Who looks bad? Me or Jesus? Like I said, lets stick to scripture vs scripture. Theology v theology. Like I said, I am not sticking up for Islam. I just think we should be logical about this.

I wonder... did you do those things in the name of Christ?
If so then you were plain stupid and Christian leaders say that loudly. When Muslims murder innocent children for example they dance in the streets. Here and there some small voice may speak dissatisfaction but they are a minority within Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRA0NKQ0k6E

There is the difference...

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I wonder... did you do those things in the name of Christ?
If so then you were plain stupid and Christian leaders say that loudly. When Muslims murder innocent children for example they dance in the streets. Here and there some small voice may speak dissatisfaction but they are a minority within Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRA0NKQ0k6E

There is the difference...

Again. These people are outside of what the Quran and Islam preaches. Read and study for yourself. The only problem I have with Islam is their lack of acknowledging who Jesus really was. There is 1.5-2 billion Muslims in the world. You are judging them based on a small minority.

[odooley6985]

So We decreed for the tribe of Israel that if someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Qur'an 5: 32)