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Old 05-03-2010, 03:16 PM
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We Declare Summit?

Out of boredom I visited WeDeclare.org to see if anyone else signed up for it.... not really that many more folks on there.. 531 as of now.

But if you look in the upper right hand theres a graphic that says "Declare ... A Grass Roots Summit"

Whats up with that? Didn't the conservatives just get their wins recently with Bernard becoming General Superintendent and the districts using his Apostolic Identity campaign to blow out the mod-libs?
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:18 PM
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Re: We Declare Summit?

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Old 05-03-2010, 03:19 PM
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Re: We Declare Summit?

It wasn't just about results. WeDeclare is trying to be a "caucus" of right-leaning Pentecostals. And I use the term "right-leaning" in relative terms, considering the "conservative" nature of ALL Pentecostals.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:26 PM
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It wasn't just about results. WeDeclare is trying to be a "caucus" of right-leaning Pentecostals. And I use the term "right-leaning" in relative terms, considering the "conservative" nature of ALL Pentecostals.
Didnt they just all make themselves bishops in the new WPF? Why the need to tighten the circle even more? Its there ever a point when they "Declare" victory? All my UPC friends I talk with who are moderate would possibly somewhere else if there were a real alternative (other than Global, which they all seem to be watching) and it didn't make them a pariah among their network of minister friends.
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Didnt they just all make themselves bishops in the new WPF? Why the need to tighten the circle even more? Its there ever a point when they "Declare" victory? All my UPC friends I talk with who are moderate would possibly somewhere else if there were a real alternative (other than Global, which they all seem to be watching) and it didn't make them a pariah among their network of minister friends.
I guess this only proves that "conservative" and "liberal" are all relative. When the UC's leave, there become new "UC's" to take their turf. In the WPF, some of those who were "UC's" are now liberals. That's what happens when we all compare ourselves to each other.

In the larger scope of Christianity, Pentecostalism, particularly Classical Pentecostalism is pretty "ultra-conservative" AND "ultra-progressive."

I agree that many are looking for options. But there are truly plenty. Global is en vogue right now. But many of these guys are theologically not even on course with Global. They want something "just like the UPC" except for a few exterior matters. Kind of silly to jump ship for that I guess. For others, leaving is easier... it's an entire paradigm shift, something far beyond negotiating or living with.
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Hmmmm.....sounds like a group of Southern women. Running around saying "well, I do declare!" Like "I do declare it sure is hot today!!!" or "I do declare lately we have seen more rain than I ever remember"
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