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09-20-2022, 09:59 PM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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You haven't read this threads in detail then. I have shown with historical facts and Bible, and others as well. The 1 Cor 9 is talking about is just an anchor he is holding to argue (or show off his knowledge or something, who knows), and provoke a discussion on a topic which is already answered. There have been 40 pages at this point of discussion, sir. See first why this thread ended up the way it ended up.
The problem with those two that insist I don't listen is that I'm calling them out for what it is and they don't want to admit it.
You are just picking sides and using a name synonymous of some characteristics to ... never mind. Let's leave it like that.
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How can people lie like this?
Esaias, can you help out here and clarify something? You caught what I was saying.
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09-20-2022, 10:21 PM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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How can people lie like this?
Esaias, can you help out here and clarify something? You caught what I was saying.
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I think coksiw is being as difficult as Esaias thinks I am. It is always interesting around here. We just need some more posters to argue with. It takes too long for people to respond with only 3-4 posters.
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09-21-2022, 11:48 AM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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I think coksiw is being as difficult as Esaias thinks I am. It is always interesting around here. We just need some more posters to argue with. It takes too long for people to respond with only 3-4 posters.
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Somebody call Dan the Man and the Preacher Squad!
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09-21-2022, 01:11 PM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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Somebody call Dan the Man and the Preacher Squad!
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09-21-2022, 08:06 PM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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Somebody call Dan the Man and the Preacher Squad!
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Some angry preacher video online comes to mind.
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11-22-2022, 07:41 AM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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So you are teaching it. With a soft stand, yes, as a "recommendation", or a "guideline", but still it is a gross misapplication of the OT texts, which is then a false teaching. You are persuading people whether openly or with hints to do an action based on false premises, false teaching.
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Just looking to get your take on this.
Malachi 3:8-11
v.8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
v.9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
v.10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
v.11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
Do any of these verses apply to us today? Is there a way we can rob God by not putting our tithe and offering in the storehouses? Im not talking about monetary coin alone, in your study on this subject, how can a we as the church today apply these verses of scripture?
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11-22-2022, 03:21 PM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968
Just looking to get your take on this.
Malachi 3:8-11
v.8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
v.9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
v.10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
v.11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
Do any of these verses apply to us today? Is there a way we can rob God by not putting our tithe and offering in the storehouses? Im not talking about monetary coin alone, in your study on this subject, how can a we as the church today apply these verses of scripture?
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How would you apply this verse?
Isa 65:4 NKJV - (4) Who sit among the graves, And spend the night in the tombs; Who eat swine's flesh, And the broth of abominable things is [in] their vessels;
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12-09-2022, 11:51 AM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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How would you apply this verse?
Isa 65:4 NKJV - (4) Who sit among the graves, And spend the night in the tombs; Who eat swine's flesh, And the broth of abominable things is [in] their vessels;
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Coksiw,
I'm not following the purpose or meaning of your response to Nicodemus. Care to elaborate?
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12-09-2022, 07:50 PM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
How do you pronounce the 2nd-3rd syllable in, Coksiw?
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12-10-2022, 08:51 AM
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Re: History of Tithes in the Church
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Coksiw,
I'm not following the purpose or meaning of your response to Nicodemus. Care to elaborate?
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Tithing from the increase of the land in Israel was a commandment in the OT. Not eating swine meat was also a command (don't eat unclean animals).
In the context of the law of Moses, disobeying such commandments was disobeying God. Therefore, you will find prophecies like that bringing up accusations of disobedience, because all those prophecies are in the context of the Moses' covenants.
Now, are those passage applicable? Absolutely, but not in the "tithe" and "offering" system, but in the reflection of what God cares about. Tithing and offering was intended to support the Levites, orphans, widows, etc...
You can apply it this way: if you have resources to help brothers and sisters around you in need, and you withhold those resources, you are figuratively "robing" God, because God expects righteousness, fruit of repentance, in you, and you are not doing it. If there are opportunities to support teachers and preachers in your congregation, or just that your congregation has needs to keep running (bills, rents, activity funding, etc...), and you have the ability to participate, and you are withholding your resources, you are doing the same.
But what most people that hold the tithing position want to hear is something else: the only "legit" application they find in Moses' tithing is the 10% of all the things.
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