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Old 08-17-2019, 09:01 AM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is

Still, no one has explained who all of those people are in John 14-15-16.
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Old 08-17-2019, 09:18 AM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is

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Simply an excuse for not believing in the NEW covenant.
He obviously believes in the New Covenant. We all do. We obviously disagree on the nature of God. It's fine to argue about that, but why throw out something like this when it serves no purpose in furthering the debate but is really just making things personal? Instead of just dismissing someone, you could explain why the post he said was good was in fact in error when it was asserted that we should assume the Jews correctly understood the nature of God and so the New Covenant revelation of Christ harmonizes with, and is not radically different from, the Old Covenant conception of the one God.
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:17 AM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is


Eternal Life is knowing BOTH the Father and the Son
John 17:
1 Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh,
that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work
which You have given Me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself,
with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Father God also sends the Holy Spirit
John 14:
15 If you love Me, keep My commandments.
16 And I will pray to the Father,
and He will give you another Helper,
that He may abide with you forever —
17 the Spirit of truth … you know Him,
for He dwells with you and will be in you.
18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Is this the shortest Trinity verse in Scripture?
John 14:16
“And I (Jesus) will pray to the Father,
and He will give you another Helper”
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is

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If God became a man, actually began to exist as a human being, without ceasing to be God (omnipresent Spirit), how would that human being speak?

I imagine He would speak exactly like He does in the Bible.

On the other hand, if God were a trinity of persons, and one of them became a human, I suspect He would speak of God in the plural: "They", rather than "Him". Unless He had no human consciousness, but was just God-in-a-physical-body. In which case His speech would not really make sense to us, people would think He was schizophrenic or psychotic, not to mention He simply wouldn't act, think, or feel in any genuinely human manner at all.

I also think He would mention "Hey, we're a trinity of Divine Persons". That He never said that is enough for me to reject the speculative nonsense of 4th and 5th century catholic priests.
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