Why didn't the Latter Day Prophets see this?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So the pastor tore up the pulpit, and they rebuilt it for the next service? Or was the clip about the new song before the pulpit tear-up?

I watched the two clips, didn't see any context for the pulpit tearing, but I would say maybe it needed to be done. They can get rid of the platform next, sell the cathedral, disband the 501c3, and get closer to the Bible.

As for the song clip, I've seen that kind of thing plenty of times. It's usually needed. One time a church we visited (the church was our pastor's home church) started the song service after the pre-service prayer. Halfway through the first song (or second? Can't recall) the pastor stopped the music and told the church they weren't ready to offer worship because they hadn't really prayed, just went through the motions. Called everybody back to prayer. Prayer service lasted about an hour and half, my daughter got the Holy Ghost, rest of the service went till around midnight, one gigantic worship-slash-alter call service with occasional preaching.

So there's that.

Regarding the song service incident, it depends a lot how the exhortation comes out. Is the leader encouraging, or rebuking? if rebuking, on what ground? is the leader pushing saints around like servants or just trying to facilitate the activity? I don't mind the encouragement as in "let us praise the Lord with ...", nor I mind the rebuke when we just need to get our acts together because it is obvious, nor I mind the leader asking the saints to move to facilitate some activity.

Regarding the pulpit being teared apart, ... he believed there were demons behind it. Beside the fact that that's like animism, pulpits are just tools. People don't make idols of them since, to begin with, pulpits do not provide for anything, nor anybody believes they do. The idol is the overglorification of preachers, and in particular pastors, considered by some saints like the representation of the Lord on earth, the only source of wisdom and direction, the only true spokeman of God. So, because that's the case, there is also jealousy, because preachers want that glory.
People just call that "the pulpit", just to mean, "what it is preached", or "the preaching ministry", or "the pastor's ministry", etc... So, in reality, ranting against "the pulpit" is ranting against the admiration the saints have for preachers, to the point of cult to personality. The ranting it is probably motivated by jealousy. This pastor not only destroyed a church asset but also shows his ignorance to what the true systematic problem is.

[diakonos]

People don’t make idols out of pulpits?

They believe the pulpit and altars are literally sacred.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Regarding the song service incident, it depends a lot how the exhortation comes out. Is the leader encouraging, or rebuking? if rebuking, on what ground? is the leader pushing saints around like servants or just trying to facilitate the activity? I don't mind the encouragement as in "let us praise the Lord with ...", nor I mind the rebuke when we just need to get our acts together because it is obvious, nor I mind the leader asking the saints to move to facilitate some activity.

Regarding the pulpit being teared apart, ... he believed there were demons behind it. Beside the fact that that's like animism, pulpits are just tools. People don't make idols of them since, to begin with, pulpits do not provide for anything, nor anybody believes they do. The idol is the overglorification of preachers, and in particular pastors, considered by some saints like the representation of the Lord on earth, the only source of wisdom and direction, the only true spokeman of God. So, because that's the case, there is also jealousy, because preachers want that glory.
People just call that "the pulpit", just to mean, "what it is preached", or "the preaching ministry", or "the pastor's ministry", etc... So, in reality, ranting against "the pulpit" is ranting against the admiration the saints have for preachers, to the point of cult to personality. The ranting it is probably motivated by jealousy. This pastor not only destroyed a church asset but also shows his ignorance to what the true systematic problem is.

Did you see the pulpit smashing video? Does anyone have the full video? I only saw a snippet, and no mention of demons was made.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did you see the pulpit smashing video? Does anyone have the full video? I only saw a snippet, and no mention of demons was made.

The SpiritualAbuse guy reports the thing about the demons from a testimony of a saint that was present during the preaching. It is the the text that comes with the video in the post from facebook that Amanah posted. For what I can understand, they deleted the original video.

Originally Posted by Amanah

Here is a clip from Mount Pisgah, what was he thinking?

https://www.facebook.com/SpiritualAb...ibextid=Nif5oz

https://fb.watch/jH1w6Y8pTC/

From what was shared with me, it appears that the pulpit in the church was called an idol and that it had a demonic spirit. One woman commented that, "People that understand spiritual warfare could definitely pick up on spirits when trying to stand behind the pulpit to preach or sing."
As what usually happens, when people point out things like this in services, the video was removed. Besides those who were running and jumping around while this was happening, others were upset.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by diakonos

People don’t make idols out of pulpits?

They believe the pulpit and altars are literally sacred.

Dedicating something doesn't make it an idol. The pulpit is not an idol. I'm talking from the pure Biblical standpoint of the meaning of the word in the most abstract way. People use the phrase "the pulpit" to simply refer to the preaching ministry. A preacher man can be made an idol. Money can be made an idol. An object that was a vehicle for a miracle in the past can be made an idol. A representation of some god in an image can be made an idol. Socialist governments can be made idols as well.

They have one thing in common: they provide (or you believe they do), you surrender.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by coksiw

The SpiritualAbuse guy reports the thing about the demons from a testimony of a saint that was present during the preaching. It is the the text that comes with the video in the post from facebook that Amanah posted. For what I can understand, they deleted the original video.

It's the Spiritual Abuse girl (unless they transitioned or something?), and yes, I saw those two clips. Like I said, no context except what Spiritual Abuse (they/them) posted and claimed.

Did you see the Gino Jennings clip I posted? I think there may be some application to this situation. It appears the church decided the pulpit needed to go, so away it went.

The thing I don't understand is the timing between the two clips. Because the song service incident still has the pulpit. So I assume that was an earlier event?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's the Spiritual Abuse girl (unless they transitioned or something?), and yes, I saw those two clips. Like I said, no context except what Spiritual Abuse (they/them) posted and claimed.

Did you see the Gino Jennings clip I posted? I think there may be some application to this situation. It appears the church decided the pulpit needed to go, so away it went.

The thing I don't understand is the timing between the two clips. Because the song service incident still has the pulpit. So I assume that was an earlier event?

Lol, I always thought the SpiritualAbuse was a "he", because some of the videos it was of a guy. I have no clue, really.

Regarding the timing of the events:

Spiritual Abuse posted on March 30th:

Late this afternoon we posted a video clip of a United Pentecostal Church pastor breaking up the church pulpit at the Mount Pisgah United Pentecostal Church in Leakesville, Mississippi.
This next clip is from January 29, 2023. Here he stops the singers, who have learned a new song, because he isn't pleased with how the congregation is responding.
In the past few minutes, the church has taken down their Facebook Page.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?mibe...37317951848655

[Esaias]

The church in question was destroyed by a fire in February:

https://www.wkrg.com/state-regional/...greene-county/

(two out of three buildings on the property were destroyed, the main sanctuary was not)

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Lol, I always thought the SpiritualAbuse was a "he", because some of the videos it was of a guy. I have no clue, really.

Regarding the timing of the events:

Spiritual Abuse posted on March 30th:


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?mibe...37317951848655

Spiritual Abuse (dude/dudette) claims they took down their Facebook page, but I was just there, it's still up, and nothing has been posted since like Jan 2022.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100076149902559

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Seriously, everybody ought to watch this.

I think that's kind of OK to make a point. That's truly an idol.