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Old 08-30-2010, 08:50 PM
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My personal definition is it is the social union/legal contract between a man and woman that creates kinship ... which should be intimate and sexual in nature.

Define "American" ...

You need to sleep during normal hours.
You have my address. Send me paychecks along with a schedule to keep. The highest bidder gets to tell me when to sleep.

An "American" can be understood in a manner similar to a "Christian."

A "Christian" is someone who follows Christ. An "American" is someone who has followed Amerigo Vespucci.
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You have my address. Send me paychecks along with a schedule to keep. The highest bidder gets to tell me when to sleep.

An "American" can be understood in a manner similar to a "Christian."

A "Christian" is someone who follows Christ. An "American" is someone who has followed Amerigo Vespucci.
The cartographer made 4 voyages to the New World and died in Italy ...

Venice here I come.

I wanna live in America ... so much to do in America.
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Mr. Smith, Left-wing Libber. Has kind of a nice ring to it.

When the bible says, "Thou shalt not", you need to look at the original Greek manuscripts. You'll find that when a predicate and a pronoun and an adverb, combined with a past participle, inverted through a subjective verb, are intersected with the word "Not", there is a Greek rule that actually makes a word mean the opposite. So when the bible says, "Thou shalt not commit fornication", the word "Not" means that you can't, NOT commit fornication, so in actuality, we're commanded to commit fornication. Not only is it not prohibited, it's commanded.

How's that for "Left-wing liberal"?
YA all keep talking like that and I'll have to go back to school.
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YA all keep talking like that and I'll have to go back to school.
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Old 08-30-2010, 09:33 PM
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Re: Sex Before Marriage: Does God Approve?

We commonly use the word "fornication" to refer to sexual activity by single folks and "adultery" to refer to sexual activity by a married person with someone other than his/her partner. Or some times we define them as "pre-marital" and "extra-marital" relations.

Does the Bible define sexual activity this way?

Does the Bible say anywhere that sexual activity by someone who is not legally married with someone else who is not legally married is wrong? Where?
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The cartographer made 4 voyages to the New World and died in Italy ...

Venice here I come.

I wanna live in America ... so much to do in America.
If your talking about that part of America that is south of us NO WAY JOSE.
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We live in a new day. One in which the very definition of morality is being rewritten. With that in mind, do you believe the traditional Christian view concerning premarital sex is old-fashioned and outdated?

I hear many educators and social physicians say that sex before marriage is a natural function of adolescence. Popular culture views premarital sex favorably. In fact, there is an EXPECTATION that kids will have sex before they're married.

What do you think? Do you believe premarital sex is okay? Is there any reason teens or unmarried adults should abstain?
Of course it's "natural". But the Bible still teaches that intimacy belongs between two married individuals. I'm sure that intimacy outside of marriage is just as common today as it was in Roman times. I'd recomend that unmarried couples consider marriage as they grow in the Lord. Eventually a time will come when they will be called to choose the Lord over their lifestyle.

One issue I do see though is how long we have people wait before marriage. In biblical times people married at 12 or 13 years of age. Today we expect them to wait until their mid 20's, or after their college education. No doubt, that stresses the human condition.
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Re: Sex Before Marriage: Does God Approve?

While I have no facts on this, I heard that early Christians often refused legal marriage in Rome. One reason is that the seal of the imperor (revered as a god) wasn't desirable on Christian relationships. It's like those who refuse to legally marry because they believe the Government has no say or hand in the matter.

However, in our culture, failure to marry leaves both parties open for much heart ache.
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Wow..hard to believe there is any doubt over this issue..
Why should this issue be different from any other issue?
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Re: Sex Before Marriage: Does God Approve?

I was given a book by a minister that taught some very liberal views regarding intimacy between people. It presents the following:

Biblically forbidden sex practices appear to be:
• Adultery – Sexual activity outside of the marriage covenant.
• Fornication – Indiscriminant and promiscuous sexual activity.
• Sodomy – Homosexual rape, male temple prostitution
• Incest – Sexual activity with close relatives.
• Rape – Forced sexual activity with a woman.
• Bestiality – Sexual activity with animals.
• Pedophilia – Sexual activity with children.
• Harlotry – Sexual activity as a religious rite or for money.
• Lust – The desire to actually commit adultery.
The Bible appears to allow for the following sex practices:
• Monogamy – Marriage consisting of one man and one woman.
• Polygamy – Marriage consisting of one man and more than one woman.
• Concubines – Mistresses recognized within the marriage covenant.
• War Brides – Arranged marriage with female prisoners of war.
• Levirate Marriage – The marrying of a dead brother’s first wife, even if the living brother was already married.
• Servant Marriage – The arrangement of marriage between servants.
• Eunuchs – Celibates who cannot (or choose not to) copulate with the opposite or same gender.
• Erotic Literature & Poetry – Writings of an erotic nature (Song of Solomon).
• Erotic Entertainment – Erotic dancing (exemplified by the Shulamite and her erotic dance before her countrymen).
• Sexual Fantasy – Sexual thoughts about another (exemplified by the Shulamite and her Lover).
The OT ethic on this subject is very interesting considering NT understanding. But the NT was written under the Roman Empire. In Rome things such as polygamy were illegal. So we don't see these issues in the first century. I can't help but wonder however, what if Rome hadn't prohibited the practices of the Jews? Would the NT be more like the OT?

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