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Old 10-30-2007, 10:12 AM
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Many people see those that are mad at the UPCI for allowing TV ads, as control freaks bent on tell God how to be saved.
Fern anyone who know anything about this(and I am an outsider) must surely know Res. 4 is not the reason it is the cataylist that pushed it over.
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Many people see those that are mad at the UPCI for allowing TV ads, as control freaks bent on tell God how to be saved.
I for one am not mad, but hurt, disappointed, and grieved, but not mad.

I haven't talked to anyone who is mad. The one I have talk to are just like me, hurt disappointed and grieved. Big difference.
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Not at all.

I have spent many sleepless night and cried many tears over this,


I have bee grieved over this situation.

You couldn't be more wrong about this.

But I will not go down on this ship that MEN are saying can't go down/
I hate to tell you this, but there are also reports of record numbers of preachers joining the UPCI since GC.

I personally believe the UPCI will not only survive, but thrive!!
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Fern anyone who know anything about this(and I am an outsider) must surely know Res. 4 is not the reason it is the cataylist that pushed it over.
Yeah Fern.

Brother Epley is right.

Res 4 was the Waterloo of the radical right fringe.

The battle had been hot for a long time before that, however.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:16 AM
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I would also like to add that I have heard that the UPCI was going to go down in flames all of my life.

And I have heard the rebuttle from preachers who love truth and have given thier lives for this Gospel message, that the UPCI will not go down in flames.

HISTORY says that EVERY organization made by man will come to an ignoble end. This is the way of man.

Much like the rantings of the distruction of America, these rantings have no real value. No preacher has given prophesy that even comes close to the truth on the subject!

Will the UPCI end? I can say with certainty that yes it will one day not be what it currently is. That it will end. Why? because it was formed by men.

those that seek to create a new organization, will build one that will also end. and for the exact same reasons.

that aint prophesy that is understanding history and human nature.

people need to quit wringing thier hands and do their deal and stop pointing at others.
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I hate to tell you this, but there are also reports of record numbers of preachers joining the UPCI since GC.

I personally believe the UPCI will not only survive, but thrive!!
OLf there weill always be a UPC, but what will it be?

It will just be a name , not the org standing for truth, just a watered down, powerless group of people or a tbn type of mess.
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I hate to tell you this, but there are also reports of record numbers of preachers joining the UPCI since GC.

I personally believe the UPCI will not only survive, but thrive!!
Assessing the impact of all the ones leaving vs. the ones coming in isn't as simple as just counting noses in each line.

Losing a Johnny Godair with his influence and credibility cannot be replaced by just getting another preacher licensed.

Initially, the finances these men take with them will be felt in a major way.

But the long term impact of the absence of their voice and influence in the movement, and in the shaping of the next generation of young UPC preachers will have a huge impact, and one not easy to calculate right now.

When you lose the caliber of men that the UPC is going to lose, it is not a small thing.
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Fern anyone who know anything about this(and I am an outsider) must surely know Res. 4 is not the reason it is the cataylist that pushed it over.
Brother Epley, you are 100% right. AND I would add, that my comment was acinine and meant to be as a retort to what was said. it was not how i feel about many of the men that are leaving the UPCI.

there are underlying reasons that are deep and important. this was nothing more than the place of the "last battle" if you will.
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I would also like to add that I have heard that the UPCI was going to go down in flames all of my life.

And I have heard the rebuttle from preachers who love truth and have given thier lives for this Gospel message, that the UPCI will not go down in flames.

HISTORY says that EVERY organization made by man will come to an ignoble end. This is the way of man.

Much like the rantings of the distruction of America, these rantings have no real value. No preacher has given prophesy that even comes close to the truth on the subject!

Will the UPCI end? I can say with certainty that yes it will one day not be what it currently is. That it will end. Why? because it was formed by men.

those that seek to create a new organization, will build one that will also end. and for the exact same reasons.

that aint prophesy that is understanding history and human nature.

people need to quit wringing thier hands and do their deal and stop pointing at others.
This is exactly right.

And this is why I refuse to villify men who want to belong to something like the UPC was when they became a part of it, not the UPC as it appears to be going.
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I for one am not mad, but hurt, disappointed, and grieved, but not mad.

I haven't talked to anyone who is mad. The one I have talk to are just like me, hurt disappointed and grieved. Big difference.
Does one leave a marriage because they are disappointed, grieved or hurt? Or is it because these feelings lead to anger which makes them be assertive and leave the situation?

If you were not angry, you would not leave or encourage your buddies to leave. If you were not angry, you would pray that God's will be done. You would find some way reconcile.

I don't see that coming from you at all! I see you gloating about a "Titanic" going down!
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