Enseyian Logic: God Made Mistake with Facial Hair - Page 8

iceniez · #71 03-10-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Because it starts with someone having the guts to walk into church wearing a beard. Or someone willing to 'buck the system'. So, since no one wants to be the first to buck the system, it just goes on and on.

Our Sunday school super walked in with one and was on the platform no one said a word. He just shaved it last week because it is warming up outside.

Sam · #72 03-10-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Because it starts with someone having the guts to walk into church wearing a beard. Or someone willing to 'buck the system'. So, since no one wants to be the first to buck the system, it just goes on and on.

Sam/Jim Ellis said:
"One Sunday night in his sermon our pastor said, "The Bible teaches that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." I spoke up and said, "I'd like to see where that's in the Bible." My wife grabbed my arm and gave me "that look." Husbands and children know what "that look" is. Either the pastor did not hear me or he chose to ignore me. When we walked out of that church after service we did not come back although we had been going there about 15 years."

I tried to be the one to buck the system. I was a licensed minister, a youth leader, had taught Sunday School, had filled in preaching for the pastor. Some years before some teenagers had been "sat down" because they grew beards. I thought it was now time to modernize so I grew a mustache. I figured, "Maybe if Bro. Ellis grows one, folks will realize it's OK and others will follow." WRONG! Nobody else grew a mustache and then the Sunday night service mentioned above happened. We just "voted with our feet" and left the church. This was probably 1978, maybe early 1979 in an ALJC church whose pastor had begun to be accepted by one of the local UPC churches that had split off another UPC church in that city about 10 years before.

freeatlast · #73 03-10-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

But your church doesn't follow "the look" in other ways either, does it?

No we do not subscribe to any of the man made legalistic standards

Our church is not the poster church for Apostolic Identity.

*AQuietPlace* · #74 03-10-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

No we do not subscribe to any of the man made legalistic standards

Our church is not the poster church for Apostolic Identity.

So men wearing beards wouldn't raise eyebrows there. It's a bit more difficult to break the tradition of 'no beards' when you are part of a 'traditional standards' church.

RandyWayne · #75 03-10-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

So men wearing beards wouldn't raise eyebrows there. It's a bit more difficult to break the tradition of 'no beards' when you are part of a 'traditional standards' church.

You have to make it into a game. It can be great fun! Like the time I came into a Sunday morning service wearing my Bermuda shorts, Hawaiian shirt (albeit made in Taiwan), and carrying a surfboard under my right arm, and running in slow motion.

*AQuietPlace* · #76 03-10-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You have to make it into a game. It can be great fun! Like the time I came into a Sunday morning service wearing my Bermuda shorts, Hawaiian shirt (albeit made in Taiwan), and carrying a surfboard under my right arm, and running in slow motion.

You're crazy!

A.W. Bowman · #77 03-10-2010, 03:52 PM

When I was a little boy, my mother (a very smart lady) told to me to never trust any man who felt the need to hide behind facial hair.

pelathais · #78 03-10-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HaShaliach

When I was a little boy, my mother (a very smart lady) told to me to never trust any man who felt the need to hide behind facial hair.

It's very difficult to challenge any teaching that is presented with the words "When I was a little boy, my mother told to me ..."

Perhaps we'll just let your avatar give us the rejoinder.

johnny44 · #79 03-10-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Sam/Jim Ellis said:
"One Sunday night in his sermon our pastor said, "The Bible teaches that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." I spoke up and said, "I'd like to see where that's in the Bible." My wife grabbed my arm and gave me "that look." Husbands and children know what "that look" is. Either the pastor did not hear me or he chose to ignore me. When we walked out of that church after service we did not come back although we had been going there about 15 years."

I tried to be the one to buck the system. I was a licensed minister, a youth leader, had taught Sunday School, had filled in preaching for the pastor. Some years before some teenagers had been "sat down" because they grew beards. I thought it was now time to modernize so I grew a mustache. I figured, "Maybe if Bro. Ellis grows one, folks will realize it's OK and others will follow." WRONG! Nobody else grew a mustache and then the Sunday night service mentioned above happened. We just "voted with our feet" and left the church. This was probably 1978, maybe early 1979 in an ALJC church whose pastor had begun to be accepted by one of the local UPC churches that had split off another UPC church in that city about 10 years before.

I grew one around 1968 in the CLJCAF but as I said earlier the Bishop came out with one and many grerw one after.

ILG · #80 03-10-2010, 07:11 PM

Sheesh. I never believed this doctrine when I was IN the UPC as a raging conservative. I believed that as a conservative, it was only right to believe that men NEEDED to wear facial hair. My husband didn't, but he never believed it was wrong to.

I can't believe the ridiculousness of even defending this doctrine at all.