A Glorious Church?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

you want to destroy the conservative Church, see below

Please don't confuse "spiritually conservative" with the "political conservative movement". They are two very separate things. Many political conservatives are anything but religiously conservative. And many political liberals are religiously conservative.

My post was about getting human politics out of the pulpit and not using the name of God to prop up a human political agenda, regardless of party, or political agenda. The pulpit is to advance the Kingdom of God, New Testament salvation. Politicking is best left on the stump... it shouldn't be in our pulpits. Remember, the art of politics is the art of compromise. The more pulpits become given over to politics, they more they will compromise, not less. Consider, this post from Facebook that was directed to me about Donald Trump and his bad behavior towards women....

D***** L**** Oh no, i served the Lord for over 30 years, a pastor, a bishop as an elder etc. I still enjoy seeing a nice butt on a woman, even nice boobs., been married 31 years, i still enjoy grabbing my wife when she least expects it, i guess that means i treat women wrong. I admit I am a dirty old man, lol.

The sin is not in the look, its when the mind engages, and starts thinking thoughts, now if most men are honest , they would admit the same thing that i did.

Us men have our faults in looking, but women of today let it every thing hang out, so men notice them. A lot more than Trump has a problem with sin.

And smear campaign, look at news, all the way back to when we the people elected him. Smearing him every day, look at the junk bama shoved down our throats, was he smeared daily

This man claims to have served the Lord for over 30 years, a pastor, a bishop as an elder etc.! What??? And he speaks like this about a politician's carnal, and perhaps even criminal, antics??? This man's justification of bad behavior has lowered his moral compass. Why? Because he has blended his faith with a political agenda, and that means supporting a man of bad behavior as part of his religio-political loyalties.

My answer to him was...

Wow. And people don't think that the hero worship given to Trump isn't lowering our standards of decency?

While we're beating our chests about being sexually vibrant men like Trump... let me ask a question...

If your daughter was in a beauty pageant and some scumbag of a billionaire grabbed her inappropriately and made overtly sexual remarks because he thinks he's so big and bad no one will call him on it... and it left your daughter feeling like a subhuman piece of meat born only for sex... would you laugh it off???

I'm proud to say that... as a father of a little girl... it would take every bit of my strength to resist beating that small handed, churlish, pervert within an inch of his life.

But, we're going to play the, "Oh, boys will be boys card."

I have a daughter. And if anyone in ministry thinks like this, I can proudly say I'd never trust him alone with my daughter in a million years. And it says a whole heck of a lot about the fiber of the church the man has served.

They gentleman is UPCI. Politics is the art of compromise. And blending politics with his faith has left him... morally compromised.

Oh dear sister, please don't tell me you support this sort of thing.

[Amanah]

Aquila, you are a wolf in sheep's clothing

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris, I didn't have to see that.

Seriously.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

They gentleman is UPCI.

I don't believe a word of it. That, or what was posted has been exaggerated for effect.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't believe a word of it. That, or what was posted has been exaggerated for effect.

Especially when there is an arch evil type, and the poster is the arch hero type.

It is simple, the UPC guy, is a pervert, the poster a UPC pervert bashing/daughter defending hero.

Any questions?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, I didn't have to see that.

Seriously.

I wish it never happened.

The point is, politics is worldly, and is predicated on compromise. I see no reason why pulpits should be prostituted out to the support of any politician. As pulpits compromise to support these buffoons, they tend to lower their standards.

So, I don't see how anyone can disagree with my point when born out in it's actual context.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Aquila, you are a wolf in sheep's clothing

Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't believe a word of it. That, or what was posted has been exaggerated for effect.

I'll give you his name in PM, and you can contact him if you like. I'm not exaggerating.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Especially when there is an arch evil type, and the poster is the arch hero type.

It is simple, the UPC guy, is a pervert, the poster a UPC pervert bashing/daughter defending hero.

Any questions?

I know good UPCI men who don't prostitute their pulpits, and who would never agree with the man.

Again, it's not about the UPCI. It's about politics in the pulpit.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I wish it never happened.

Bro, its ok, but when you have to post the above more times then needed, then sorry becomes a sorry word. Listen, don't ever do it again, that is the best form of an apology.