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Old 03-12-2018, 07:01 PM
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His website explains his beliefs: http://www.swordofthevaliant.com
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:03 PM
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I remember why I quit listening to him. He teaches one must be born again first, then afterwards they get saved by doing Acts 2:38.
Not according to his website. EDIT: I think he may be making a distinction between being "born again of the Word" and being "born of water and Spirit".

" Those to whom this epistle is addressed are established in the faith and know that New Testament salvation, which began to be preached by the mouth of Simon Peter on the day of Pentecost, 33 A.D., is entered into by the born again, repentant believer through baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and the receiving of the Holy Ghost. Those who are born of the incorruptible seed of the word of God know that the blood of Jesus Christ was shed for the remission of sins (Matt.26:28, Rom.3:25, Eph.1:7, Col.1:14), and that the only way since the New Testament church was born for any person to receive remission of sins, is to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, 22:16, 1 Cor.6:11, Col.2:11,12, etc...). We know also from the testimony of scripture that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is the seal of God, the earnest of our inheritance (Eph.1:13,14), the power of the resurrection (Rom.6:4,5, Col.2:12), and is always and without exception manifested by the recipient speaking in other tongues and prophesying (Mark 16:17, Acts 2:1-4,18, 10:44-46, 19:6, etc...).


This is the Biblical birth of water and Spirit (John 3:5), and as it is written,"...there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (1 John 5:8).


Much of the problem, which leads many in the churches to embrace the false gospel of "accepting Jesus Christ", is the lack of understanding of the new birth.


The "accept Jesus Christ" false gospel teaches that the Holy Spirit convicts the sinner of his sinfulness, and that the sinner becomes "born again" by the ritual of saying a "sinner's prayer" and "accepting Jesus Christ into his heart".

But the Bible teaches that it is the word of God which convicts the sinner of his sinfulness (Neh.8:9, Rom.7:7-13, 1 Cor.15:56); and that it is alsothe word of God which quickens the sinner, or causes him to become born again (Psalm 19:7, 119:50, Luke 8:11, James 1:18, 1 Peter 1:23);and that this miracle is not the work of the will of man, but of God (John 1:12,13, 6:65, Rom.9:16)."
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:50 PM
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EDIT: I think he may be making a distinction between being "born again of the Word" and being "born of water and Spirit".


Probably so. Its the same thing The Ceylon Pentecostal Mission taught when I knew them.

If you are born again....you can SEE the kingdom.

If you are born of water and Spirit...you can ENTER the Kingdom.
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His NAME is Jesus!

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EDIT: I think he may be making a distinction between being "born again of the Word" and being "born of water and Spirit".


Probably so. Its the same thing The Ceylon Pentecostal Mission taught when I knew them.

If you are born again....you can SEE the kingdom.
If you are born of water and Spirit...you can ENTER the Kingdom.
That is exactly what the scriptures teach.

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Old 03-12-2018, 10:26 PM
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That is exactly what the scriptures teach.

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So do you think being born again is a distinct experience from being born of water and Spirit?
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:58 PM
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I was just thinking:

What if it was me who was being investigated to see if I were a friend or foe? I might take more lumps than Clinton!
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I was just thinking:

What if it was me who was being investigated to see if I were a friend or foe? I might take more lumps than Clinton!
I'm pretty sure you would look at me as a foe since I attend a UPC.
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I was just thinking:

What if it was me who was being investigated to see if I were a friend or foe? I might take more lumps than Clinton!
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I'm pretty sure you would look at me as a foe since I attend a UPC.
I would not consider one a foe just because they attend UPC. Some are different than others. My Church (by way of streaming video) is a UPC Church.

I just had an Apostolic Bro (Independent) break fellowship with me this week over the immortality of the soul doctrine. His goodbye was "your blood be on your own head".

Im not TRYING to make enemies. I want to love and be loved!
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I would not consider one a foe just because they attend UPC. Some are different than others. My Church (by way of streaming video) is a UPC Church.

I just had an Apostolic Bro (Independent) break fellowship with me this week over the immortality of the soul doctrine. His goodbye was "your blood be on your own head".

Im not TRYING to make enemies. I want to love and be loved!
I would not break fellowship over that, or some of the varieties of Eschatology. There are some things that I would though, like serpent seed.
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