Disagreements With the Nicene Creed?

EA · #1 11-23-2009, 03:25 PM

THE NICENE CREED

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

EA · #2 11-23-2009, 03:26 PM

Please identify any doctrinal errors within this creed.

Monterrey · #3 11-23-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

THE NICENE CREED

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Trinitarian math just kills me!

1+1+1=1

I believe in one, and one, and one!

Read it Senor Anglin!

There are three 1's which make 3!

At least that is the way we count in Mexico!

Uno, Dos, Tres!

Uno, y uno, y uno es tres!

M.

*AQuietPlace* · #4 11-23-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

Trinitarian math just kills me!

1+1+1=1

I believe in one, and one, and one!

Read it Senor Anglin!

There are three 1's which make 3!

At least that is the way we count in Mexico!

Uno, Dos, Tres!

Uno, y uno, y uno es tres!

M.

And all three distinctions are made in the Bible.

Monterrey · #5 11-23-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

And all three distinctions are made in the Bible.

If that is the truth then why do we, oneness, come up with something different then them, trinitarians?

The whole idea of the nicene creed was to allow Multiple gods into their belief system. They, Catholics, de believe in Three (Actually more) and that is the basis, the Nicene creed!

EA · #6 11-23-2009, 04:00 PM

I am Oneness to my core. I just wanted to see if somebody waaaaaay smarter than me wanted to point out the flaws in the creed.

missourimary · #7 11-23-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

...who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. [/CENTER]

This is fairly solidly quotations or paraphrases from the bible until the part above. Thought I do think that oneness have a problem with a few scriptures that trinies use as much as trinies have a problem with some oneness verses. "proceeds from the Father and the Son" indicates two personages, not one. Otherwise they could have said "proceeds from God".
"who with the Father and the Son together" again indicates separations rather than oneness. See above.
"holy catholic and apostolic church" Catholic doesn't indicate denomination here, but world-wide, and knowing that, is not unbiblical either.

I really think that oneness strains at gnats on some points. As I said in another post, I was oneness in a trinitarian church, as was my mom and as have been several others that I have known. Not all Trinies believe three Gods. Most, as a matter of fact, do not.

Monterrey · #8 11-23-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I am Oneness to my core. I just wanted to see if somebody waaaaaay smarter than me wanted to point out the flaws in the creed.

Well, let's go to the Smartest Somebody and see what He has to say in His creed!

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

1 and only 1 = 1

Short sweet and to the point.

mizpeh · #9 11-23-2009, 06:38 PM

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THE NICENE CREED

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

I have a problem with everything highlighted in red.

Here's a blog post by Jason Dulle on the creeds. http://theosophical.wordpress.com/20...%80%99s-bones/

jfrog · #10 11-23-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I have a problem with everything highlighted in red.

Here's a blog post by Jason Dulle on the creeds. http://theosophical.wordpress.com/20...%80%99s-bones/

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THE NICENE CREED

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

You have a problem calling Jesus the only begotten Son of God after reading John 3:16? Do you also have a problem saying the "logos" was in the beginning with God and was God and surely in a sense proceeded forth from God (John 1:1)? I think there is even less that you actually disagree with than what you made red, mipzeh.