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Sorry, we weren't recording anything back then.
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When will you have this in an audio?
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Re: Book of Enoch, 1 Peter, 2nd Peter, Jude parall

this is interesting, because these books I am reading are full of Jewish mythology, and I didn't know where it came from till now, the author, Brian Godawa is a preterist.


Noah Primeval (Chronicles of the Nephilim) (Volume 1) Paperback – October 25, 2011
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Brian Godawa (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/06...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Enoch Primordial (Chronicles of the Nephilim) (Volume 2) Paperback – July 17, 2012
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https://www.amazon.com/Enoch-Primord...T1ZERG7MRC2KQ3


Tyrant: Rise of the Beast (Chronicles of the Apocalypse) (Volume 1)
Godawa, Brian
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Noah Primeval is a speculative retelling of the Genesis Bible story of Noah for a new generation.

In an ancient world submerged in darkness, fallen angels called Watchers rule as gods and breed giants called Nephilim. Mankind is enslaved to evil. Noah, a tribal leader, has been prophesied by his ancestor Enoch to save humanity from coming destruction. To rise against this supernatural evil and rescue his family Noah will need an equally supernatural army. But he also has to finish building his big boat.

Noah Primeval is the first book in the exciting Biblical Fantasy series, Chronicles of the Nephilim.
•It's Biblically and historically faithful, with added ancient imagination.
•You will learn the origin of the Nephilim giants and the Watchers of Genesis 6.
•Many of the strange oddities of the Bible will finally begin to make sense.
•You will learn about a storyline thread in the Bible often overlooked: The War of the Seed.
Learn About the Historical and Biblical Research Behind the Novel

There seems to be a Nephilim craze these days. A great interest in the Watchers and the book of Enoch and Giants. Lots of books out there about the End Times and Nephilim in the modern day.

But Noah Primeval and Chronicles of the Nephilim Biblical Fantasy Series tells the original story from the ancient past that all began with Genesis 6.

Author Godawa shares the scholarly research that undergirds the fictional adventure. Noah Primeval has appendices that provide an explanation of Biblical concepts in the novel such as the Sons of God, Watchers, Nephilim, Giants, Leviathan, and the ancient Mesopotamian Cosmography in the Bible.

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Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

The false teachers speak evil of the angels of God (making claims about them that are not only false but libelous, railing accusations and blasphemies). And so the false teachers, relying on carnal mythologies corrupt themselves with superstitions.

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

The false teachers have followed Cain's example (who slew someone much more holy than he himself was), Balaam's example (who tried to make merchandise of holy things, being a prophet for hire), and Core/Korah who despised the appointed messengers of God (the Aaronic priesthood and Moses especially) and rebelled against God ordained authority, and brought railing against Moses and the ordained priesthood. Again, the theme is that of false teachers railing against, blaspheming against, and thus doing 'violence to' the angelic government of God by making false accusations about angels. There is some connection also to monetary reward (travelling exorcists?) as well.

Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jude uses language from the book of Enoch here. Language that in Enoch was used to refer to the punishments brought on by the sinning angels is used by Jude to refer to the false teachers. In other words, the 'angels that sinned' in Enoch are transposed by Jude into the false teachers teaching lies about the angels of God. Or in yet other words, the false teachers taught blasphemous lies against the angels of God and what they said about the angels actually applies to themselves.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Now, Jude quotes Enoch directly, where Enoch speaks about the impending judgment of the wicked who had blasphemed God. But remember Jude's context! Jude is using these accounts as illustrations of the character and fate of false teachers who lie about the angels. Notice what Jude says, 'And Enoch ... prophesied'. In the Greek, Jude says 'Enoch prophesied to these'. Jude is not saying Enoch successfully prophesied about the coming destruction of the wicked, but specifically prophesied about the false teachers Jude was referring to.

Green's Literal:

Jud 1:14 And "the seventh from Adam," Enoch, also prophesied to these men, saying, Behold, "the Lord came with" myriads "of His saints,"

Young's Literal:

Jud 1:14 And prophesy also to these did the seventh from Adam--Enoch--saying, `Lo, the Lord did come in His saintly myriads,

Geneva:

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also the seuenth from Adam, prophecied of such, saying, Beholde, the Lorde commeth with thousands of his Saints,

In other words, Jude uses a quote from the Book of Enoch, a favorite among the Jewish fable pushers, and applies it to the fable pushers themselves. Thus, Jude is saying that God is coming with all the heavenly host ('saints' being 'holy ones') to execute judgment against the false teachers pushing their blasphemous Jewish myths and fables about angels and who seek to make some money off their scams.

Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

They do not walk after Christ, they do not follow the truth, they follow their own desires. They speak great swelling words and show favoritism (Barnes supposes they admire the rich and flatter them) obviously for personal gain.

So what are they complaining and murmuring about? Those who believed that angels sinned and fell from heaven, and have been running amok causing trouble for everyone, obviously complain about their lot in life. 'The devil is attacking me, woe is me' they say, about practically everything. There is a demon behind every bush, it seems. They refuse to submit to the doctrine of Jesus Christ who 'holds ALL authority in heaven and in earth', and who taught that not one bird drops dead apart from God and that the very hairs of our head are numbered. Instead, they ascribe to satan that which is withint the Divine Providence of God. They essentially promote Dualism, Manichaeanism, Zoroastrianism, the 'good God vs the evil god'. The devil on your shoulder whispering in your ear to sin, 'the devil made me do it', blame the devil for this, that, and the other thing.

Demons everywhere, all your problems are caused by fallen angels. BUT, hey, we can take care of that problem... for a small nominal fee, of course...

In fact, the same thing exists today in much of the so called 'deliverance ministries' so popular among charismatics. They amount to travelling exorcist side shows, not much different than what is popular among Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox over in the Balkans.

The doctrines in fact are the same: Angels of God sinned, fell, became demons, trouble mankind constantly, all your woes are the fallen angels/demons, experts in these matters can take care of the problem, follow and support my ministry, etc.

In doing such, they blaspheme the angels of God. They rely on extrabibical sources for their doctrines, but those extrabiblical sources contradict the Bible, and contradict themselves, and contradict the ones who use them (as all cultic false doctrines do).

The remainder of Jude is a reminder that such things were foretold by the apostles, that false teachers and 'mockers' would come in following their own desires not heeding sound doctrine.

I notice that Jude seems to reference Zechariah chapter 3 when he says 'hating even the garment spotted by the flesh'. Zechariah 3 also contains an account of the Angel of YHVH rebuking satan by saying 'YHVH rebuke thee', in regards to the changing of Joshua's 'filthy garments' to new robes and his installation as priest.
You have a few posts before this one. Brother did you ever make an audio of this?
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Re: Book of Enoch, 1 Peter, 2nd Peter, Jude parall

Revelation 12:9 ?
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Now please keep in mind that Esaias, or myself are not advocating the Enochian literature. But I do encourage people getting a good understanding of what the history was like, the literature was like, during the compilation of the Old and New Testament. Peter, and the apostles were dealing with all of the different Jewish schisms, plus Judaizers from their own ranks. Paul, dealt with not only Gentile literature, and culture. But also Judaizers who were creeping into his churches teaching things they ought not. In Titus 1:11-12 Paul doesn't pick Enochian literature to quote from, but a Pagan mystic Epimenides of Knossos. When Paul quotes the Greek mystic seer he is in no way agreeing with everything Epimenides promoted. Paul just chose to use that one quote which he did agree with.
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I was thinking about this thread earlier... thanks for the bump
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