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Old 10-30-2018, 07:41 PM
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Re: Oneness And Pre Incarnate Logos

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So, are you saying that you believe God was VISIBLE in the beginning?
The Logos is Yahweh (person) manifested

After the Babylonish captivity the Jewish doctors combined into one view the theophanies, prophetic revelations and manifestations of Jehovah generally, and united them in one single conception, that of a permanent agent of Jehovah in the sensible world, whom they designated by the name Memra (word, λόγος) of Jehovah. The learned Jews introduced the idea into the Targums, or Aramćan paraphrases of the Old Testament, which were publicly read in the synagogues, substituting the name the word of Jehovah for that of Jehovah, each time that God manifested himself. Thus in Gen. 39:21, they paraphrase, “The Memra was with Joseph in prison.” In Ps. 110 Jehovah addresses the first verse to the Memra. The Memra is the angel that destroyed the first-born of Egypt, and it was the Memra that led the Israelites in the cloudy pillar.

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Re: Oneness And Pre Incarnate Logos

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Forgive me, and maybe I am just dense, but all of the bold seems rather contradictory. Either you see Him or you do not. His "voice", your "voice" and my "voice" are not visible.
In first century Judaism Memra/logos was used in place of Yahweh any time He was speaking
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:06 PM
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Re: Oneness And Pre Incarnate Logos

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The Logos is Yahweh (person) manifested

After the Babylonish captivity the Jewish doctors combined into one view the theophanies, prophetic revelations and manifestations of Jehovah generally, and united them in one single conception, that of a permanent agent of Jehovah in the sensible world, whom they designated by the name Memra (word, λόγος) of Jehovah. The learned Jews introduced the idea into the Targums, or Aramćan paraphrases of the Old Testament, which were publicly read in the synagogues, substituting the name the word of Jehovah for that of Jehovah, each time that God manifested himself. Thus in Gen. 39:21, they paraphrase, “The Memra was with Joseph in prison.” In Ps. 110 Jehovah addresses the first verse to the Memra. The Memra is the angel that destroyed the first-born of Egypt, and it was the Memra that led the Israelites in the cloudy pillar.

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So basically some physicians got together and had a council and agreed on this like the Trinity? That is reassuring.
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So basically some physicians got together and had a council and agreed on this like the Trinity? That is reassuring.
No. Jews believed God had a visible form they called Memra.

You can see him in scriptures like in Exodus. Or Isaiah 6 who John called Jesus
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The Logos is Yahweh (person) manifested

After the Babylonish captivity the Jewish doctors combined into one view the theophanies, prophetic revelations and manifestations of Jehovah generally, and united them in one single conception, that of a permanent agent of Jehovah in the sensible world, whom they designated by the name Memra (word, λόγος) of Jehovah. The learned Jews introduced the idea into the Targums, or Aramćan paraphrases of the Old Testament, which were publicly read in the synagogues, substituting the name the word of Jehovah for that of Jehovah, each time that God manifested himself. Thus in Gen. 39:21, they paraphrase, “The Memra was with Joseph in prison.” In Ps. 110 Jehovah addresses the first verse to the Memra. The Memra is the angel that destroyed the first-born of Egypt, and it was the Memra that led the Israelites in the cloudy pillar.

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In first century Judaism Memra/logos was used in place of Yahweh any time He was speaking
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Go back to post 1 and click the link to Mark August study.
Mark August is trying to reconcile trinity with oneness.
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Mark August is trying to reconcile trinity with oneness.
His studies are bring Trinitarians to Oneness.
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His studies are bring Trinitarians to Oneness.
Bro I follow this guy on Facebook, and he posted these the other day. Anyone who is posting either one of these circus acts in a endorsing type of way, don't know the difference between shinola and granola. But if he's trying to build a bridge it makes sense. In the words of Elder Johnathan Alvear "the only bridge needing to be built to the trinitarians is Acts 2:38." If they reject that they are going to reject the rest anyway.
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Re: Oneness And Pre Incarnate Logos

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Bro I follow this guy on Facebook, and he posted these the other day. Anyone who is posting either one of these circus acts in a endorsing type of way, don't know the difference between shinola and granola. But if he's trying to build a bridge it makes sense. In the words of Elder Johnathan Alvear "the only bridge needing to be built to the trinitarians is Acts 2:38." If they reject that they are going to reject the rest anyway.
Why don’t you ask MTD to verify that people are coming to oneness.
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Why don’t you ask MTD to verify that people are coming to oneness.
Well that's a even better idea. Thanks bro, better yet is Kim Clement, and Benny Hinn leading them to Oneness? Could that be said ever?

But yeah MTD where is the proof? This guy just debates with people about things then when they make good points blocks them, and then proceeds to bash them. And his whole idea of drawing Acts 22:16 as a foundational point is at best like the trins saying the philipian jailer only confessed Christ and was saved. If God or the Apostles rather believed this so called doctrine the way he does, it would be before chapter 22. Before every account of this took place not in the last mention of it.

But please proof would be great, thanks for that. That's even better.
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