It will take force of arms to remain free.

[Esaias]

Politics is unavoidable. Christ is incompatible with godless heathen antichrist politics. Christ is eminently compatible with Biblical Christian politics.

It's not "Christ or politics". It's Christ's politics or man's politics. We will have one or the other.

There is no such thing as neutrality in Christianity. (That's why antichrists HATE Bible Christianity...)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Politics is unavoidable. Christ is incompatible with godless heathen antichrist politics. Christ is eminently compatible with Biblical Christian politics.

It's not "Christ or politics". It's Christ's politics or man's politics. We will have one or the other.

There is no such thing as neutrality in Christianity. (That's why antichrists HATE Bible Christianity...)

Remember when you posted those pages of Christian government?
Could you repost them here?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Remember when you posted those pages of Christian government?
Could you repost them here?

I'll see if I can find them. I'm guessing that was that huge epic sized thread with Aquila the Bernout back in the way back when?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I'll see if I can find them. I'm guessing that was that huge epic sized thread with Aquila the Bernout back in the way back when?

Was it something like this?

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, how does all this work out, in the real world?

1. Christians must be conformed to the Word. They must structure, "reconstruct" if you will, their lives to be in accordance with and harmonise with the Word of God, in all areas. They must not only make the Bible the rule for their lifestyle and living, but must also teach their children to do so as well. The goal is to produce a godly family, a family that lives out the Bible. The family "rule book" is the Bible, and Lord willing and the parent's do their job, the children when grown will likewise instruct their families similarly.

2. Churches must be conformed to the Word. They must promote and support families in their endeavors to submit to and be guided by the Word. They must teach it and preach it, and model it in their own sphere. The church must determine things by the Word, rather than by committee vote or popularity contests or one individual's opinion of things. Pastors must determine that THEY aren't in charge, rather God's Word is in charge. And this theonomic worldview must be taught to all the members of the Body, especially new converts. The church has to enjoin Biblical church discipline, handling things the way the Bible lays it out. Preach the Bible, live the Bible, teach the Bible.

3. Christians must understand there is a conflict between God's Kingdom and the secular world. And that God's Kingdom is advancing and is destined for victory. Victory is inevitable. Theonomy is inevitable. That's the attitude we must take when confronted with the world's nonsense. The Kingdom is advanced primarily through spiritual warfare, which as other threads have shown involves the teaching of the WORD. So then Christians individually, and as families, and as communities (churches) must TEACH THE WORLD AROUND THEM what God's Word says about any and all topics. And must demonstrate that they themselves are living the Word, so the world will see that it is not only possible, but actually happening. We must stand for God's Word. A perfect example is the issue of gay marriage. Too often we take the approach that "gay marriage is bad for society" and then give a bunch of reasons. But how many take the bold public position that neither the Supreme Court, nor Congress, nor any state has any LAWFUL AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER to legalise what GOD ALMIGHTY HAS OUTLAWED? We should oppose gay marriage not because of any humanistic or popular "conservative" reasons, but because God has already legislated on the subject! Taking this approach will guarantee that the battle lines are CLEARLY and unmistakably drawn right where they actually are. It will help everyone, on all sides of the issue, to clear the air and get down to brass tacks about what's actually going on in this world.

4. Christians need to understand how demographics actually work. To put it bluntly, you need big families that are thoroughly indoctrinated in the Word of God. Practically ALL of satan's minions currently flushing society down the drain simply do not reproduce. Gays and lesbians? They don't produce children. Liberals? Most "conservatives"? They don't either. They are all below replacement rates. Meaning they are all literally breeding themselves out of existence. Hence, the incessant push for more and more and unlimited immigration. But if Christian families expand, and each pair of parents has at least four children, then by sheer demographics victory is ultimately assured:

Psalms 127:3-5 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. (4) As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. (5) Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

Here it is in three simple verses, a Divine program for victory. Have lots of children, they are like weapons that advance the cause of victory, those who have lots of children will contend with the enemies in the gates (the halls of power).

A theonomic reconstruction of the family requires abandoning the unscriptural and self-defeating, nihilistic individualism that has plagued most of society (including the church) for practically a century. It means thinking in terms of not yourself, but your entire family, as a unit.

Proverbs 13:22 A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.

We should not be spending our life's efforts on getting that RV so we can tour the country in our old age, we should be laying up an inheritance for not only our children but our GRANDCHILDREN. Build your family's power, both spiritually and materially (financially). Your family should become, in time, something to be reckoned with, something that is not at the mercy of the winds of change agents, but something that gets stuff done for God:

Deuteronomy 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

God not only makes his covenant available to us, but He wants to "establish" that covenant, and part of how He does that is by granting to His people whatever is needed to enable them to literally replace whatever is opposed to His Kingdom and covenant.

[Esaias]

Or was it this one?

Originally Posted by Esaias

Again, the Bible nowhere promises that unregenerate man will or can govern himself with perfect righteousness. Thus, the very need for law and government (otherwise you'd have total criminal anarchy). So the question then is, "What kind of government shall we have, what Law will we follow? Law invented by corrupt men, or Law delivered by God Himself?" For we will have Law of one kind or the other, that is certain.

Let's suppose society went theonomic. This of course presupposes that at least a large portion of society was voluntarily seeking to live according to Biblical law. Would there be unjust men who get into positions of power? That is entirely possible.

Consider the church. The church is supposed to be governed by the Word, is it not? Can unjust men get into positions of authority in the church? Obviously, the answer is "Yes, it is possible". So then should we say that because of that, the church should just avoid the Bible as its charter, and let's allow men to just make up the rules as they see fit?

The church's role is, among other things, to inform people of the Will of God. Therefore, in a theonomic society, if rulers depart from the Word, violate the Word, or administer law unjustly, it is the church's job to loudly and effectually proclaim the Truth of God. Now, isn't that what we are supposed to be doing anyway?

So, would you prefer to live in a society whose law system is based on the Bible? Or whose law system is based on some antichrist philosophy?

People think a theonomy would mean the Presbyterians would be burning apostolics at the stake. And since nobody in America (presently) has lived with real genuine persecution, we think this "democracy" we have is what guarantees our freedom from persecution. But the only reason America was a haven against persecution was because America was majority Christian (professing Christian). The last several decades have seen a shift in that area. America is no longer a majority Christian nation. America is a thoroughly humanist nation. And what do we see? We see the beginnings of persecution. Christian bakers being drug through the legal system for refusing to promote perversion. And so forth. This is just the beginning. Yet our political system hasn't changed. the political system we have in place ALLOWS for such things.

If the US "supreme law of the land" was the Bible, that baker never would have got sued, gay marriage wouldn't ever be on the ballot, trannies wouldn't have any chance at getting the bathrooms all mixed up, there wouldn't be perv-ed education in your schools, there wouldn't be a prison industrial complex, and a lot of other things.

As it is, because we have a humanist society with a humanist law system, we will eventually have persecution. It's just a matter of time. And they will use "muh consteetooshun" to support it, you watch. They already use our political system to promote perversion, abortion, and silencing Christians in the public sphere. How is this better than theonomy?

"Oh, but under a theonomy, persecution is guaranteed." Really? EVERY INSTANCE OF PERSECUTION against Christians was committed under non theonomic societies. The Inquisition? The catholic church most explicitly denies "sola scriptura" and claims Church Magisterium as the supreme law. That is anything BUT theonomy.

The problem is, people have been taught that "politics is over here, and Jesus and going to heaven is over there", and "never the twain should mix." Now, who would come up with such an idea? Why, anyone who wanted to rule over men that's who. Because the Word of God brings freedom. Someone once said "It is impossible to enslave a Bible believing people."

There's a reason the enemies of all things good and decent want to make sure Christianity is marginalised. the very reason given for outlawing the Ten Commandments from public schools was "If they are posted and read, they might be believed. And if they are believed, they will be followed." In other words, the reason you have "separation of church and state" and no Ten Commandments and no (Christian) prayer in public schools is because the humanists are afraid people might start obeying God. That's what they are against, ultimately.

But as I said, none of this is even remotely feasible, until Christians start getting serious about preaching and teaching that God actually expects obedience. We've got to quit making "religion" some kind of private personal affair that only really matters on your deathbed, and get back to the reality - this Gospel is the Way, Truth, and LIFE.

Unfortunately, way too many have bought into a defeatist mentality that all we can do is pine away about how bad things are but hope to make the rapture. We need to jettison that heretical nonsense and understand, we are in the business of promoting the KINGDOM. A real, bona fide, KINGDOM. Not of this world system, it's not humanism, it's not vain human philosophy, it's Divinely Ordained and empowered by the Spirit of God.

If you look closely at the Book of Acts, and early church history, you'll find the apostolic church was literally a Holy Ghost subversion of corrupt society. There was no violent revolution needed, or force of arms, people were converted to Christ and began to follow Him, and as they spread they "turned the world upside down".

Let's get ready to turn the world upside down.

[Esaias]

Or was it this one?

Originally Posted by Esaias

Eph_3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

That is theonomy and the church's relation to it right there.

One of the primary purposes of the ekklesia of God (a governmental term, by he way - ekklesia) is to teach the 'powers' (exousias, the AUTHORITIES in 'heavenly places') the manifold wisdom of God. The wisdom of God is known via His Word.

In other words, the church of God is responsible for teaching the Will of God to the powers that be. Why? So they can fulfill this:

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

The purpose of civil government is to enforce the law of God in the punishment of evil.

Jesus said this:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The Great Commission, the Mandate of the Church, is to teach ALL NATIONS that Jesus Christ has been given ALL authority both in heaven AND IN EARTH, and that ALL NATIONS are to begin obeying all of His Commandments.

What some call 'theonomy' is what is more generally known as 'the gospel'. See this:

Mat_24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Good news of what? Good news of the KINGDOM. A Kingdom is nothing less than a bona fide GOVERNMENT. What Government does not have a law? All government has law, otherwise it is no government. A kingdom is a government (and a law) headed by a king.

Jesus Christ is a king. A genuine king, just as surely as the old woman in London is a queen, even more so. He is the King of Israel, Son of David, indeed Son of GOD, indeed GOD HIMSELF, and thus King of the Universe.

To become a Christian is to submit to His claims and His authority, to become a CITIZEN of His Kingdom. EVERY citizen is bound by obligation to be loyal to the LAW and GOVERNMENT of their kingdom/nation. Thus, all Christians are expected to be loyal to the Law and Government of God's Kingdom.

So then for a Christian to suggest that God's Law as revealed in the Holy Bible, as understood an interpreted by Jesus Christ and His apostles, is somehow inferior or is something to be avoided or rejected, is nothing less than treason, is it not? Yes, for treason is adhering to the ENEMIES of one's nation, and God has declared that all the nations of the world are under sin (criminal tresspass and rebellion) and that makes them ENEMIES.

Jas_4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

[Esaias]

There was also this:

Originally Posted by Esaias

A few points to keep in mind:

1. Our "authority" is found in Christ, meaning our authority is actually His authority operating in and through us.

2. Christ's authority is extended to the church, His body, and therefore our authority is a corporate authority. That is, the focus is not so much our individual authority as priests and kings, but the CHURCH's co-authority as the manifestation and representative of Christ's authority.

3. Since the authority is a corporate authority, it operates through what each member supplies. That is to say, the church's authority requires the individual Christian doing is part. Just as the Levitical priesthood required the cooperation and joint efforts of the entire tribe of Levi, both the various families of the Levites, and the priests, and the direct heirs of Aaron. Responsibility was distributed across all these people, each had certain duties. Not everyone had the same job, but everyone contributed to doing the job of priestly ministry in Israel.

4. The authority of Christ is, at the present time, that of a priest after the order of Melchizedek, which combines the priestly and the royal functions in one. Christ is High Priest, and also King (Son of David). The church's authority therefore is of the same order - a royal priesthood in which the kingly and the priestly functions are combined. The individual believer therefore shares in that dual authority of priest and king.

You asked specifically about the authority as kings, so in this post I will focus on that aspect. But keep in mind the priestly side is just as important. So let's learn about what kingship, Biblically speaking, involves.

The book of Proverbs is an excellent starting place, as it is a book of wisdom written by a king for his son. So it is an excellent source of information for kings and "kings in waiting", that is, for anyone with royal authority.

Pro 14:35 The king's favour is toward a wise servant: but his wrath is against him that causeth shame.

We are to extend favour towards the wise, and to extend displeasure towards those who cause shame. This applies in a personal sense, in that as Christians we are to approve what is excellent, and disapprove what is foolish, sinful, disgraceful, etc. It also applies in a corporate sense, as the church as a whole is to do likewise. So when Christians fail to do this, such as when we try to be nicer than Jesus and not "offend" (upset) sinners, blasphemers, and those who actively oppose righteousness and who actively support ungodliness, foolishness, and unrighteousness, they fail to act as kings, they fail to exercise kingly authority. Once you begin to understand that, as a believer, you share in the royal authority of Christ, then you will begin to act like it. This will cause an effect on those around you. We can see this in the book of Acts when the apostles would rebuke the wicked, false apostles/teachers, and even government officials (keeping in mind that this does not mean that one can speak contemptuously of those in authority, for we must render honour to whom honour is due).

Pro_16:10 A divine sentence is in the lips of the king: his mouth transgresseth not in judgment.

As kings we are to speak the "divine sentence". We are to speak righteously, and declare the righteous judgments of God. This of course means we are certainly to have an opinion (this idea that Christians should not dare to offend people by holding opinions is nonsense). The judgments we declare are to be righteous, we are not to transgress in our judgments. This requires our judgments to be informed by the Word of God, and to be in conformity with the Word of God. We are to let our voice be heard, and not hide in a closet or in the four walls of the meeting house, but we are to SPEAK. And our speech is to be nothing less than the declaration of the Word of God, on any subject, in any situation, to any audience.

Pro_16:15 In the light of the king's countenance is life; and his favour is as a cloud of the latter rain.

When we are conformed to the Word and wisdom of God, and manifest His life through us, then the favour we bestow on others brings life and refreshment. We can literally bring the Holy Ghost into people's lives, when they encounter us they should be encountering the power and grace of God. Our interactions with others bring life, real genuine spiritual life, into their situations. We must act accordingly so that we understand that one of our jobs as kings is to be a blessing to the people around us and with whom we providentially come into contact. People need to see and know that their encounters with the followers of Jesus Christ results in a blessing.

Pro_19:12 The king's wrath is as the roaring of a lion; but his favour is as dew upon the grass.

Here we see the favour of kings (as mentioned above), but this time contrasted with their anger or displeasure. People are afraid of the roaring of a lion, it scares them to realise there is a hungry or angry lion on the loose. The reason? Because there are negative consequences to falling into the paws of an upset lion. In the same way, people are afraid of angering a king, because there are consequences that happen when a king gets upset. In our case, the same is essentially true. Corporately, when the church opposes ungodliness and unrighteousness, there should be consequences. Our influence and effect on society should be such that people are afraid to promote brazen sin and wantonness, because the church opposes such insanity. The fact that society currently has no fear of God, and the church's opinions have no really significant impact on the decisions made by both policy makers and the masses, is a clear indication the church is not exercising its royal authority. We aren't acting like kings, we are acting like serfs at the mercy of conquering overlords. We need to change that.

Pro_20:8 A king that sitteth in the throne of judgment scattereth away all evil with his eyes.

One of the duties of a king is to "sit in the throne of judgment". So, we should be sitting in the throne of judgment, that is our destiny. Once in that position, where we are in fact judging, as kings we must put the fear of God into evildoers. That is, we must exercise righteous judgment that has no respect of persons, and our judgments must be such that evil is condemned and punished and righteousness is rewarded and exalted, in accordance with the will of God as revealed in His Word. Paul pointed out that we shall, in fact, judge the world (1 Corinthians 6:2). That being the case, "judgment begins at the house of God", so that as Paul taught in 1 Cor ch 5 and 6 we must first begin exercising that judgment within the assembly. We cannot expect to impact the world for righteousness if we can't impact the church for righteousness!

Pro 20:26 A wise king scattereth the wicked, and bringeth the wheel over them.

This one is fascinating. A wise king (not just any king, but a WISE king), wages war against the wicked successfully, and "brings the wheel over them". This literally depicts a king driving his chariot over the bodies of the routed enemies. As kings, we must wage war, but we must be wise, so that we may be successful. The warfare we wage is not carnal, and therefore the "wheel of the chariot" that we will wisely drive over the enemies is not a physical chariot wheel. The word "wheel" as used in this proverb is with only a few exceptions, used almost exclusively of either the wheels under the bases of the lavers in the Temple, or of the wheels that Ezekiel saw in his visions of the Divine Presence.

1 Kings chapter 7 contains a description of the Temple's ten lavers or washing basins, that stood on a wheeled base. The wheels were designed to look like chariot wheels. We scatter the enemies through the preaching of the Gospel and the clear proclamation of God's word, casting down imaginations and bringing every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. We bring the wheel over them when we bring the cleansing of the Gospel upon them, when they submit to baptism, when their lives are cleaned up by conformity to the word through the teaching ministry of the church.

Ezekiel contains several descriptions of the Divine Presence as being born by a chariot-like structure of "living creatures" replete with "wheels within wheels, full of eyes" and so forth. We bring the wheel over the scattered enemies when we bring the Divine Presence of God, the Holy Ghost, into the lives of those "scattered" or defeated by the preaching of the Word of God, when they submit to the power of Christ. Out of this defeat they rise in newness of life.

These things are part of the responsibility of the church, exercising its corporate authority as the Body of the Messiah in this world. But, each of us must appropriate these same realities into our faith and into our lives, and act on them (because faith without works is dead!), and thereby we individually help to extend Christ's authority to those around us.

[Esaias]

As well as this:

Originally Posted by Esaias

A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries. He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
(Psalms 110:1-7)


Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
(1 Corinthians 15:24-25)

One point that needs to be understood about the present reign of Christ, and of our co-reign with Him: it is something that began as soon as He was seated at the right hand of God. This of course has already happened. It happened when He ascended into His Kingdom as described in Daniel 7. It is a PRESENT reign of Christ. And we are seated in the heavenlies WITH HIM NOW (see Ephesians 2:6). Which of course means we are presently reigning with Him NOW, during this phase of the Kingdom.

A lot of people think the reigning means there are no obstacles, no enemies. Yet the prophecy, and the apostle's interpretation of the prophecy, clearly show that the reign continues "in the midst of" the enemies. The reign is for the purpose of waging war against the rebels until they are submitted to Christ.

Therefore, we should expect conflict during our present co-reign with Christ. That the saints reign presently does not mean there is no opposition to the Kingdom of God. If anything, it means the contrary. The present co-reigning of the saints with Christ means we are involved with Christ in His war against His enemies, and it means we are involved with Christ in subduing His enemies.

The significance of this ought not to be missed.

It is the DOMINION MANDATE of the Church. That is, the church should go forth and advance the dominion of God, in fulfillment of the Great Commission:

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
(2 Corinthians 10:3-6)

As individual Christians, members of the Body of Christ, it is our duty to do our part to see to it that the Church wages this spiritual warfare successfully. The Church can really do no more than its members do. Thus, each has a role to play, and a part to fulfill, a duty to perform. As individuals, we must each fight the good fight and wage a good warfare (see 1 Timothy 1:18). How do we do that? How did the apostles do it?

Understand the targets. You cannot wage war without knowing what your targets are. According to the apostle, the targets are essentially "imaginations". The "high things" that "exalt themselves against the knowledge of God". "Every thought" must be captured and brought to obedience to Christ. This of course begins with oneself. The warrior must first defeat himself before he can defeat others, because his biggest enemy is himself.

But it also extends to others. A soldier does not fight against every single enemy on the entire battlefield, but rather he has to deal with the enemy soldiers in front of him, within reach of his weapons, in his personal "area of operations" (AO). So it is with us. We have people in our personal lives, people with whom we are in contact. This may be our wives, children, the members of our household. Our coworkers, our neighbours, our friends and extended family are also included. As is pretty much everyone with whom we come into contact and have an opportunity to interact with.

They have strong holds in their lives, in their minds, in their hearts. These strong holds, these fortified positions, are the imaginations, ideas, thought processes, concepts, the very paradigms that govern their lives, that rule over them and have dominion over them. These things must be destroyed, taken captive, so the people can be freed and brought into a state of loyal obedience to the rightful King How can this be done?

It requires the Holy Ghost anointed application of the Word of God.

Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity: Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:
(Psalms 64:2-3)

Spiritual warfare involves weapons. The enemies of God and His Church have swords, which according to the word are their tongues.
This means their words, their speech, is a weapon that is designed to bring death and destruction. Much like Goliath who cursed David "by his gods". This is the truth about "curses" and the "evil eye". Curses are real, but not what people think. The television, Hollyweird, and the media, politicians, all of them use WORDS TO BRING SPIRITUAL DEATH. Their words are the swords they use to wound the unsuspecting, the innocent, the foolish, and even the righteous who wander in this life unawares of how this spiritual warfare actually works.

But we also have a sword, a Divine weapon that we better learn how to wield. Ephesians 6 speaks of the armour we have available to us from God, and it includes "the sword of the Spirit". It identifies the sword as the "rhema of God". Rhema is a term that means a logos (word) that has been actually vocalised and spoken. People think the Bible is the "sword" but that's not true. Plenty of people have Bibles, read them, and even study them, and yet they fall in battle continuously and are routinely defeated. No, it's not just the written Word, it is the SPOKEN Word that serves as the offensive weapon of the Spirit.

The Word must be proclaimed by the individual Christian, and by the whole church. This isn't just about "pulpiteering", the sword needs to be utilised whenever a Christian finds himself in conflict with the world. Jesus when tempted by the devil did not simply read the Bible, or think on it, He SPOKE it with authority. The apostles proclaimed the Word with authority, unashamedly, everywhere they went, to everyone they met. And they turned the world order upside down.

One blatant and recent example: A lot of Christians opposed the whole "gay marriage legalisation" movement, but for the most part they were utterly useless and weak and ineffective. Largely due to the fact they did not wield the Sword God had given them. They wasted their time arguing that "the constitution doesn't grant the authority" or that the "courts ought not to legislate" or that "it is bad for society". They argued the constitution, state and federal law, they argued the Bill of Rights, they argued political considerations, social considerations... everything and anything BUT THE WORD OF GOD. God has already legislated the subject - sodomy is illegal, a capital crime, no less than murder, adultery, fornication, or idolatry. So Christians for the most part failed to pick up the sword and use it, and predictably had a net zero result.

We cannot expect God to fight our battles and give us victory if we refuse to use the tools He has given us.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

As well as this:

There is indeed a spiritual warfare for Christians. However, that does not negate the fact that evil men must be put down at times by physical force. If we take this non-interventionist stance as Christians to such extremes, we should not stop people breaking into our homes who are trying to rob or harm our families. After all, "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal," right?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Originalist

There is indeed a spiritual warfare for Christians. However, that does not negate the fact that evil men must be put down at times by physical force. If we take this non-interventionist stance as Christians to such extremes, we should not stop people breaking into our homes who are trying to rob or harm our families. After all, "th weapons of our warfare are not carnal," right?

If someone breaks into your home, you can rebuke them in Jesus name.

Ephesians 6:12 KJVS
[12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places .

Ephesians 2:6 KJVS
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Brother, High and Heavenly mean exactly the same!

This government is not your enemy, Biden or Trump is not your enemy, the FBI, CIA, state, local, federal agency’s are not your enemy. There is a spiritual force behind everything, and YES I mean everything! If you and myself can see with eyes in the spirit, I believe our attention would change on how we are to battle.