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06-04-2014, 12:24 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
The Amish have beards.
The Jewish rabbis have beards
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According to Bro Epley Lions have beards....
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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06-04-2014, 12:49 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
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But hippies had beards! Hells Angels have beards! Its stupid. They want to impress all the biblical standards of dress on people, except this. Its makes zero sense!
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Trying to "make sense" out of a great deal of "standards" usually does not work. Motive, intention, and conversation show the character of a person far more then clean shaven, long pants, hair off the ears etc., etc.
Of course running around semi-clad or nude would also tell a lot too....just sayin'.
Not in every instance, but in at least some, there is the world the religious try to create and justify to sustain, and then there is the real world where most people, including Christians live every day - the two are usually quite different...
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06-04-2014, 01:50 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
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According to Bro Epley Lions have beards....
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Jesus the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. 
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06-04-2014, 03:59 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
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Sure it is! They CONFORM to keep UNITY. Unity doesn't mean "we all believe exactly alike", though it can. Unity is a broad term.
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While I follow you to a point, I see many variables. In addition, everyone is not conforming to keep unity.
Some conform because they are a minor and have no choice, but outside of the parent's eyes they wouldn't be seen as conforming. So is that unity?
Some conform because they have a desire to be used in some capacity. Their conformity has nothing to do with unity and some toss the standards of conformity when not seen by the others. How is that unity?
Consider the Pharisees, who had a focus on outward appearance and their dress/appearance was uniform and yet they were not in unity.
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06-04-2014, 04:28 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
I have made several attempts to reach Martyn personally, but to no avail. I didn't want to be among the throng of people who are talking about the man and his doctrine without personally telling him what I thought of his article. Unfortunately, his telephone numbers go to voicemail/answering machine. He has yet to reply to my email. He has yet to reply to my Facebook message. He has yet to reply to my Twitter messages.
The man needs to be held accountable, and I'm giving him the opportunity to be accountable for his false doctrine.
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06-04-2014, 08:29 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
Call 318 339 8628 that is my pastor's number...Rev. Bryan Taylor he was just there preaching....maybe he could give you a number to reach him....
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06-04-2014, 08:42 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
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Charnock... I have to chime in and defend MissB here... I was a regular poster here for years and have to say that she has been one of the most balanced and thoughtful posters across this forum and its various predecessors. I think you are off-base here and seem to have some very personal bone to pick with MissB.
I've posted things so anti-UPC that it would make your skin crawl and she was never rude to me... if anything, she helped me to understand that I was the one who had changed, and that helped me to stop getting so riled up about issues in an organization I haven't been a part of for years. Other than my mom's funeral a couple of months ago, I haven't been in a UPC church for many years. I still have my same views, but don't see the point in offending people who are still in a culture/belief-system that I am no longer a part of. Obviously, you have the right to express yourself and your opinion, but speaking as someone who is very much NOT a UPC-apologist, your bias is coming in very clearly and if you don't see it, you might need to take a step back and examine why you feel so strongly about her. Respectfully... and I will not respond to further discussion on this, just wanted to say my two cents.
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Thank you for this post. Very insightful in many ways and I hope one some of our more combative posters who constantly attack and tear down traditional Pentecostals will read and take to heart. You can disagree without being disagreeable as the old saying goes but it seems some exUPCers take joy in being offensive and rude to those who still are.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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06-04-2014, 10:26 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
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While I follow you to a point, I see many variables. In addition, everyone is not conforming to keep unity.
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I never said everyone was. But some do. In fact some always have. I bet Robert Sabin did.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-05-2014, 07:22 AM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
In all my years in a certain organization, I experienced uniformity, but not unity. I would rather have unity any day of the week.
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06-05-2014, 08:25 AM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m
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Originally Posted by Dante
I have made several attempts to reach Martyn personally, but to no avail. I didn't want to be among the throng of people who are talking about the man and his doctrine without personally telling him what I thought of his article. Unfortunately, his telephone numbers go to voicemail/answering machine. He has yet to reply to my email. He has yet to reply to my Facebook message. He has yet to reply to my Twitter messages.
The man needs to be held accountable, and I'm giving him the opportunity to be accountable for his false doctrine.
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The fact that we are calling this a doctrine is another shame.
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