I would like to speak with new tongues

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

The Spirit of God is not scientific nor are the gifts that God has given to the church.

Christ commanded that His gift of healing be verified by a priest, which is Old Testament Law.

Luke 5:12-14
While he was in one of the cities, there came a man full of leprosy. And when he saw Jesus, he fell on his face and begged him, “Lord, if you will, you can make me clean.” And Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, “I will; be clean.” And immediately the leprosy left him. And he charged him to tell no one, but “go and show yourself to the priest, and make an offering for your cleansing, as Moses commanded, for a proof to them.”

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

We are to compare spiritual things with scripture not with the scientific method.

The Apostle Paul endorsed honesty, objectivity, and the scientific method.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-22
Do not despise prophetic utterances. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Ehud

What you said earlier in the thread is the distinction that I would make. If you are just a 'regular old church saint' and you think God has spoken to you, but you turn out to be wrong, aside from likely losing some credibility, just try to do better next time. However, if one claims to be a prophet of God, they don't get to be wrong and get the same pass. Hopefully upon being wrong, they will come to their senses, repent of their ways, and move on. But if they continue to claim to be a prophet of God, yes, we should absolutely wash our hands of them.

I don't believe your reference to preachers and "Thus Sayeth the Lord" is quite on the same level. Preachers are almost always giving their understanding of what scripture says, not predicting the future or performing miracles. Having said that, if a preacher is wrong often enough, we should avoid them as well. I'm sure we will all have different tolerances and breaking points, but I'm sure we agree if a preacher never teaches the actual Word, we would be well-advised to avoid them. After that, it's just a matter of much bone you are willing to spit out.

Samuel had Eli to help direct him, but I don't recall Eli actually 'training' Samuel. (I very well could be wrong. Been a while since I have read that story.) Even so, my real issue with Zog isn't that he claims to be in training. My issue is that he readily admits to having failed often. If failing often means "speaking for God and being wrong," he simply is not a prophet.

I don't know that Brother Hometown will agree with all of that, but since I had agreed with his statement, I thought I might clarify my stance.

Yup I agree

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

The Apostle Paul endorsed honesty, objectivity, and the scientific method.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-22
Do not despise prophetic utterances. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil.

Educate me a little better on how Paul endorsed scientific method when dealing with the spirit realm. The scriptures you posted did not back up the statement you wrote.

[Ehud]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Yup I agree

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

Christ commanded that His gift of healing be verified by a priest, which is Old Testament Law.

Luke 5:12-14
While he was in one of the cities, there came a man full of leprosy. And when he saw Jesus, he fell on his face and begged him, “Lord, if you will, you can make me clean.” And Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, “I will; be clean.” And immediately the leprosy left him. And he charged him to tell no one, but “go and show yourself to the priest, and make an offering for your cleansing, as Moses commanded, for a proof to them.”

Actually no he didn’t require his gift of healing be verified. In fact he said “ tell no man “. The proof he was talking about was the cleansing so he wasn’t bound under the law to be segregated.

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

Christ commanded that His gift of healing be verified by a priest, which is Old Testament Law.

Luke 5:12-14
While he was in one of the cities, there came a man full of leprosy. And when he saw Jesus, he fell on his face and begged him, “Lord, if you will, you can make me clean.” And Jesus stretched out his hand and touched him, saying, “I will; be clean.” And immediately the leprosy left him. And he charged him to tell no one, but “go and show yourself to the priest, and make an offering for your cleansing, as Moses commanded, for a proof to them.”

Leviticus 14:2-4
This shall be the law of the leprous person for the day of his cleansing. He shall be brought to the priest, and the priest shall go out of the camp, and the priest shall look. Then, if the case of leprous disease is healed in the leprous person, the priest shall command them to take for him who is to be cleansed two live clean birds and cedarwood and scarlet yarn and hyssop. ...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Zion OF God?

Unlikely.

[Zog Has-fallen]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Educate me a little better on how Paul endorsed scientific method

"Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good" is the scientific method.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Zog Has-fallen

"Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good" is the scientific method.

Please explain how holding onto what is good is a scientific method. This sounds 100% spiritual not scientific.