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[Light]

Originally Posted by n david

Ah, yes. The typical liberal ranting of the pro-abortion supporters.

Do you support choice, NotSoBright?

Let’s talk using the Bible for reference?
#1 where in Gods word does he mention abortion?
#2 how many fetus were Killed by God?
#3 where did Jesus mention abortion?

[Esaias]

Exodus 21:22-25 KJV
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her , and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine . [23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, [24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, [25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Light

Let’s talk using the Bible for reference?
#1 where in Gods word does he mention abortion?
#2 how many fetus were Killed by God?
#3 where did Jesus mention abortion?

Where does the Bible call an unborn child a "fetus"? What, in fact, does the Bible call a fetus?

The Bible repeatedly refers to unborn children as babes, children, sons, men, man-child, daughter, etc. God considers an unborn child as a CHILD, a young human being.

Where scripture describes a miscarriage, the mother is called a MOTHER. A woman is not a mother because she lost her appendix or pinky finger. Therefore, an unborn child is NOT merely a woman's appendage or body part, but a distinct human being.

A woman conceives a what? A fetus? Or a person?

Job 3:3 KJV
Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.

The very night a woman conceived a male, he is identified as a "man child". A baby is a "man child" FROM THE TIME OF CONCEPTION.

Luke 1:36 KJV
And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

What was conceived? A fetus? Or a SON?

Luke 1:41 KJV
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

What leaped in her womb? A fetus? A mass of tissue? Her appendix? Or a BABE (baby)?

If she had gotten an abortion, she would have killed a BABY, a MAN CHILD.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Where does the Bible call an unborn child a "fetus"? What, in fact, does the Bible call a fetus?

The Bible repeatedly refers to unborn children as babes, children, sons, men, man-child, daughter, etc. God considers an unborn child as a CHILD, a young human being.

Where scripture describes a miscarriage, the mother is called a MOTHER. A woman is not a mother because she lost her appendix or pinky finger. Therefore, an unborn child is NOT merely a woman's appendage or body part, but a distinct human being.

A woman conceives a what? A fetus? Or a person?

Job 3:3 KJV
Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.

The very night a woman conceived a male, he is identified as a "man child". A baby is a "man child" FROM THE TIME OF CONCEPTION.

Luke 1:36 KJV
And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

What was conceived? A fetus? Or a SON?
W. C
Luke 1:41 KJV
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

What leaped in her womb? A fetus? A mass of tissue? Her appendix? Or a BABE (baby)?

If she had gotten an abortion, she would have killed a BABY, a MAN CHILD.

This is what God called a baby in the womb. FRUIT

Exo 21:22....If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief( death of woman ) follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine

For causing a miscarriage just a fine !!!!

Exo 21:23....And if any mischief ( death of woman ) follow, then thou shalt give life for life

The loss of unborn ONLY A FINE !!!!

This is law given to Moses by GOD ALMIGHTY !!!

You didn’t answer how many babies God killed at the flood? Those babies in the mother’s womb did NOTHING WRONG. EVen the young did nothing wrong.

Where did Jesus say anything about abortion?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Light

This is what God called a baby in the womb. FRUIT

Exo 21:22....If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief( death of woman ) follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine

For causing a miscarriage just a fine !!!!

Exo 21:23....And if any mischief ( death of woman ) follow, then thou shalt give life for life

The loss of unborn ONLY A FINE !!!!

This is law given to Moses by GOD ALMIGHTY !!!

You didn’t answer how many babies God killed at the flood? Those babies in the mother’s womb did NOTHING WRONG. EVen the young did nothing wrong.

Where did Jesus say anything about abortion?

You're sick.

The word "fruit" in that verse is literally the Hebrew for "children". The man is fined IF NO DEATH OR SEVERE INJURY RESULT.

The words "death of woman" are not in the text, only in yourmind. You have ADDED to the Word of God in order to justify women murdering their BABES.

Your argument about the Flood proves you are a hypocrite. God killed TODDLERS AND ADULTS in the flood so by your stupid specious reasoning it should be legal for anyone to kill toddlers and adults. "They did nothing wring"....

You aren't a Christian. You sound like a typical atheist. "God murdered millions who did nothing wrong!" To prove WHAT exactly? That God is a hateful mass murdering tyrant? Or that YOU have the right to murder innocent people too? God is the Creator and is the one with authority over living and dying.

Where did Jesus authorize abortion? Fool, Jesus upheld the law of God (which He Himself is the Lawgiver to begin with) and that law demands DEATH AS THE PUNISHMENT FOR MURDER. The Bible makes no distinction as to age, if a life is taken, the one who took it forfeits their life.

Psalm 106:37-40 KJV
Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, [38] And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood. [39] Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions. [40] Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

You completely ignored everything that was posted which proves an unborn child is just that: a CHILD, a distinct human person, from the moment of conception. You completely failed to prove anything, you failed to show that God approves of murdering innocent children.

Think about that. You want us to believe God approves of murdering innocent children.

You are an evil wicked snake, a bona fide child of satan, masquerading as a Christian. How can you escape the damnation of hell?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Light

This is what God called a baby in the womb. FRUIT

Exo 21:22....If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief( death of woman ) follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine

For causing a miscarriage just a fine !!!!

Exo 21:23....And if any mischief ( death of woman ) follow, then thou shalt give life for life

The loss of unborn ONLY A FINE !!!!

This is law given to Moses by GOD ALMIGHTY !!!

You didn’t answer how many babies God killed at the flood? Those babies in the mother’s womb did NOTHING WRONG. EVen the young did nothing wrong.

Where did Jesus say anything about abortion?

That is nonsense.

The mischief is the DEATH OF THE UNBORN BABY OR the mother. Not JUST the death of the mother.

I've heard it all now.

[mfblume]

Exodus 21 and the woman with child suffering

ADAM CLARKE:

But if mischief followed, that is, if the child had been fully formed, and was killed by this means, or the woman lost her life in consequence, then the punishment was as in other cases of murder - the person was put to death


Keil & Delitzch.

A fine is imposed, because even if no injury had been done to the woman and the fruit of her womb, such a blow might have endangered life. (For יצא roF( to go out of the womb, see [b1.25.25-26]Gen 25:25-26.) The plural ילדיה is employed for the purpose of speaking indefinitely, because there might possibly be more than one child in the womb. “ But if injury occur (to the mother or the child), thou shalt give soul for soul, eye for eye,...wound for wound: ” thus perfect retribution was to be made.

[Light]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Exodus 21 and the woman with child suffering

ADAM CLARKE:

But if mischief followed, that is, if the child had been fully formed, and was killed by this means, or the woman lost her life in consequence, then the punishment was as in other cases of murder - the person was put to death


Keil & Delitzch.

A fine is imposed, because even if no injury had been done to the woman and the fruit of her womb, such a blow might have endangered life. (For יצא roF( to go out of the womb, see [b1.25.25-26]Gen 25:25-26.) The plural ילדיה is employed for the purpose of speaking indefinitely, because there might possibly be more than one child in the womb. “ But if injury occur (to the mother or the child), thou shalt give soul for soul, eye for eye,...wound for wound: ” thus perfect retribution was to be made.

Loss means loss Adam Clark thinks he needs to expand on God’s word.
Why are you so willing to lister to 3 God men that don’t know the truth instead of Gods word

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Light

Loss means loss Adam Clark thinks he needs to expand on God’s word.
Why are you so willing to lister to 3 God men that don’t know the truth instead of Gods word

I got these same conclusions from the bible alone, and showed that these men saw the same thing. This shows the point that the common plain reading is that murder of the mother or child is the mischief, not just that of the mother. Even these guys can see it!

[coksiw]

Luke 1:15
For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.


God does not fill tissues with his Spirit, but living humans.

I can't believe we are arguing about this in this forum. How can an "apostolic" lose so much discernment of right and wrong to the point of justifying such a thing?

To the person behind the Light user, I exhort you to repent before it is too late. This is not a game of bible verses to see who wins, it has terrible consequences for your soul.

Exodus 23:2
You shall not follow a crowd to do evil; nor shall you testify in a dispute so as to turn aside after many to pervert justice.