Sex Before Marriage: Does God Approve?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dante

Fornication is a general term and doesn’t truly address the issue of sex before marriage in this passage. Plus, it still doesn’t explain why God condemns sex before marriage. So, quoting scripture here doesn’t address the issue.

No it's not, it is a specific term found in scripture to indicate immorality, whether sexual, or idolatrous. God shows us that it is part of betrayal of a contract. Honor and obey. Hence the usage of the Greek word πορνεία meaning unchaste, not pure, defiled sexually. Because virginity was honored by the people of the Bible. Contractional covenantal marriage is how they brought families and tribal people together. Anything outside the covenant contract was not biding and could not be entered into the book of the people. Also proof of virginity had to be proven to the elders or heads of the tribes or people. Daughters were a huge commodity, and therefore defending their virginity a must. God shows us that a woman going outside of a marriage agreement would never stop there, but continue to fornicate and thereby being promiscuous. Fornication leads to promiscuity.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Dante

You are confused between fornication and promiscuity. Promiscuity raises risks of danger and damage, but the act of “fornication” itself is harmless.

The act of fornication itself is harmless? Will fornicators inherit the kingdom of God? Gee, what makes a thief a thief? An adulterer an adulterer? A fornicator a fornicator?

How in the world have you not been banned from here? You should take your pro-fornication arguments to the debate room.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The act of fornication itself is harmless? Will fornicators inherit the kingdom of God? Gee, what makes a thief a thief? An adulterer an adulterer? A fornicator a fornicator?

How in the world have you not been banned from here? You should take your pro-fornication arguments to the debate room.

You don’t handle opposing views too well. That’s a shame.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Dante

You don’t handle opposing views too well. That’s a shame.

Are you a Christian? Apparently not since you think fornication is a "beautiful thing". I can handle anything, I just don't understand why a CHRISTIAN forum tolerates the defense of fornication. There are other venues for that garbage.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Talking about a sin is not the same as promoting it. And since you keep bringing up Allstate1, let's talk about why he/she was banned, this good buddy of yours.

First, in a post in the Marriage Discussion section, Allstate1 claimed to be a woman who, along with her husband, used pornography, role-played with her pretending to be a prostitute, and her husband driving up and propositioning her, and etc. That was a three day ban.

Then, a week later, Allstate1 claims her husband is a vet with PTSD who tried blowing his brains out with a gun, but failed. Then, came on and admitted it was all a lie. So, I kicked her or him or whatever, to the curb, permanently.

So, this mentality of test-drive the car that exists in this thread, but from a long time ago, I am not going to address, from a long time ago, but if it rears up new, I will take care of it.

I knew an Apostolic who took the test drive view of things. She backslid, died lost, orphaned her teenage son who also backslid afterward. Ananias and Sapphira died under the New Covenant, let's recall, so let us beware of what God thinks of premeditated sin, and sin in general and how He might respond, if He's inclined.

Allstate1 has been a life long friend what he done or said on here makes no nevermind to me. However, it does no negate the research done by his wife that I was referring to in my post. As I said before I do not condone premarital sex however this research does make for interesting reading.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Allstate1 has been a life long friend what he done or said on here makes no nevermind to me.

Why?

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Allstate1 claimed to be a woman who, along with her husband, used pornography, role-played with her pretending to be a prostitute, and her husband driving up and propositioning her, and etc.

Why?

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

However, it does no negate the research done by his wife that I was referring to in my post. As I said before I do not condone premarital sex however this research does make for interesting reading.

I agree with this statement. Whatever Allstate1's issues are holds no bearing on his wife's research.

[Aquila]

The state of civil marriage today is a joke. The laws that govern it are unbiblical and in many cases inequitable. Marriage used to provide security. Not so much anymore. The courts dissolve most marriages like incorporations, dividing everything down the middle, regardless of fault (unless it was criminal). And women typically get rewarded spousal support, child custody, and child support, even of they played the harlot. With statutes like these, marriage has become the greatest gamble of one's life, especially men. It shouldn't be a gamble. It should offer security. But, it doesn't always do so. So, is there any wonder why so many don't want the liabilities that come with civil marriage?

I think it's important to define marriage biblically if it is debated. What does God require to make a relationship marriage? Must it involve the state? Ors it a covenant before God alone? What about religious liberty? Does the state unite man and woman, or does God join them together? Can two people be married in spirit, though not in the eyes of the state?

Those can be complex questions.

What we do know is that "fornication" (sexual immortality, yes, it's a blanket term) uses, exploits, dehumanizes, and harms at least one party involved regardless of legal status.

However defined, premarital sex carried no death penalty in Scripture, only the expectation of marriage. If you can't control yourselves, marry. It's that simple. Unwed couples should be encouraged to marry, in accordance to that congregations definition.

Perhaps much patients and grace will be needed, especially with children involved. Rigid adherence to some law or custom could prove to be only harm what could be made beautiful.

The woman at the well was married five times, and wasn't married to the man she was with. Jesus never condemned her, He only revealed that He knew all the hidden things about her. He didn't demand she kick the man to the side. He didn't scold her. And after realizing who Jesus was, she was instrumental in witnessing to her community, even while in her less than ideal circumstances. Ideally, this woman eventually married her lover. But Scripture doesn't say. But we do see that Jesus didn't beat war drums against her.

The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Spirit. Sexual sins are indeed forgivable. Christ's greatest problem weren't the sinners, it was the religious people who thought they were so perfect. The sinners were far more perfect in their confessions and transparency than the religious hypocrites who feared losing their reputations and praise of men.

Sex is always beautiful between those who love one another. Even if circumstances are imperfect.

God can give beauty for ashes.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Why?




Why?




I agree with this statement. Whatever Allstate1's issues are holds no bearing on his wife's research.

Why? Why is he a life long friend? Why did he say he was a woman? WHY??? I need to find this thread and read just what was said.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Why? Why is he a life long friend? Why did he say he was a woman? WHY??? I need to find this thread and read just what was said.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...17#post1471317

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Why? Why is he a life long friend? Why did he say he was a woman? WHY??? I need to find this thread and read just what was said.

Why does it makes no difference to you that he came on the forum saying he was a female pervert?