Jews closer to Muslims than Christians

[houston]

Originally Posted by Originalist

How his experience in Vienna changed a young Hitler from a defender of Jews to their chief critic. I have not researched this myself enough to adequately judge, but this does demonstrate that Hitler's views on Jews did not just appear out of thin air. How things turned out cannot be justified, but this is still interesting....

Off topic. Lol.
Anyway, and Zionism is still thriving and has contaminated the church.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by houston

Off topic. Lol.
Anyway, and Zionism is still thriving and has contaminated the church.

I see it as being right on topic. Jews are more similar to Muslims than Christians. Both seem to have the destruction of the West as their goal. Now certainly, the latter cannot be said of every single Jew and Muslim. But there is enough of a consensus in both camps to justify speaking in such general terms in the same way Paul did when referring to "the Jews". Hitler wound up becoming irrational and distracted in his obsession with the Jews to the point he actually wound up enabling them. Nevertheless, his view of the danger their presence posed to Europe was correct, generally speaking. The same can be said of Muslims today. The difference is, I can get away with calling Muslims a danger, but not Jews.

[Aquila]

I've noticed that rabbis can get together and debate Torah and traditions all day long. They shout, laugh, "argue", and then... they hug each other's necks as brothers. For the most part, Jews can radically disagree with various interpretations and understandings... yet we rarely see synagogues claiming absolute truth and that other synagogues aren't really Jewish. Those claiming to have absolute pure truth are viewed as being on the margins.

In Islam, it's much the same. Some accept various hadiths as authorative while others don't. However, to main stream Islam, a Muslim is a Muslim. Those claiming to have absolute truth are viewed as being on the radical fringe, and are seen as a danger to even fellow Muslims.

But in both religions they are for the most part united in their diversity.

In Christianity, we don't see such unity (accept in ecumenical circles). It is not uncommon for a church to denounce every other church in town as being in grave error if they have different interpretations of the Scriptures or even different standards of dress. Christianity itself seems like a fragmented mess with each shard claiming absolute truth. They aren't willing to admit that their position is simply their opinion or interpretation.

What this does is it sets the entire "Christian" community into conflict and division. To the seeker, it's like walking into a bar fight. Seekers don't know which church is right or which one is wrong, and each church has a very passionate explanation as to why they are absolutely right and every other church is wrong. Sometimes seekers get so frustrated they just don't know what to believe, so they just quietly walk away and watch the infighting from a distance.

Also, American Christians see Christianity as a social tool to reconstruct society. They use the Christian religion to advance their agenda in politics and nearly all social structures. Western Christians have ceased to embrace Christianity as a deeply personal spiritual path that is disconnected from the world.

Those are my initial thoughts.

[Amanah]

This is my initial thought.

Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one

and this

Leviticus 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

A Church like Planet Fitness..is not a church. Because Planet Fitness is not a gym.

May I use this? ^^^

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've noticed that rabbis can get together and debate Torah and traditions all day long. They shout, laugh, "argue", and then... they hug each other's necks as brothers. For the most part, Jews can radically disagree with various interpretations and understandings... yet we rarely see synagogues claiming absolute truth and that other synagogues aren't really Jewish. Those claiming to have absolute pure truth are viewed as being on the margins.

In Islam, it's much the same. Some accept various hadiths as authorative while others don't. However, to main stream Islam, a Muslim is a Muslim. Those claiming to have absolute truth are viewed as being on the radical fringe, and are seen as a danger to even fellow Muslims.

But in both religions they are for the most part united in their diversity.

In Christianity, we don't see such unity (accept in ecumenical circles). It is not uncommon for a church to denounce every other church in town as being in grave error if they have different interpretations of the Scriptures or even different standards of dress. Christianity itself seems like a fragmented mess with each shard claiming absolute truth. They aren't willing to admit that their position is simply their opinion or interpretation.

What this does is it sets the entire "Christian" community into conflict and division. To the seeker, it's like walking into a bar fight. Seekers don't know which church is right or which one is wrong, and each church has a very passionate explanation as to why they are absolutely right and every other church is wrong. Sometimes seekers get so frustrated they just don't know what to believe, so they just quietly walk away and watch the infighting from a distance.

Also, American Christians see Christianity as a social tool to reconstruct society. They use the Christian religion to advance their agenda in politics and nearly all social structures. Western Christians have ceased to embrace Christianity as a deeply personal spiritual path that is disconnected from the world.

Those are my initial thoughts.

A - I would strongly disagree. Orthodox Jews regard non-orthodox Jews almost the same as they regard Gentiles.
And the Shia and Sunni's believe that the other camp is heretics.
Therefore it is ok to kill them.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've noticed that rabbis can get together and debate Torah and traditions all day long. They shout, laugh, "argue", and then... they hug each other's necks as brothers. For the most part, Jews can radically disagree with various interpretations and understandings... yet we rarely see synagogues claiming absolute truth and that other synagogues aren't really Jewish. Those claiming to have absolute pure truth are viewed as being on the margins.

In Islam, it's much the same. Some accept various hadiths as authorative while others don't. However, to main stream Islam, a Muslim is a Muslim. Those claiming to have absolute truth are viewed as being on the radical fringe, and are seen as a danger to even fellow Muslims.

But in both religions they are for the most part united in their diversity.

In Christianity, we don't see such unity (accept in ecumenical circles). It is not uncommon for a church to denounce every other church in town as being in grave error...

Matthew 10:34 - 36

34) “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35) For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

36) And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.


I don't know how to rationalize it, but maybe all of the division found within Christianity is the WILL of God.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Matthew 10:34 - 36

34) “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35) For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

36) And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.


I don't know how to rationalize it, but maybe all of the division found within Christianity is the WILL of God.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Matthew 10:34 - 36

34) “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35) For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

36) And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.

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37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

The sword, the division is to take up your cross and follow Jesus. THIS puts a man at odds against his wife, children, mother, father. You have to love Jesus MORE than anyone else, so much more that you will follow Him when your wife mocks your faith, your children curse you, your parents disown you.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - I would strongly disagree. Orthodox Jews regard non-orthodox Jews almost the same as they regard Gentiles.
And the Shia and Sunni's believe that the other camp is heretics.
Therefore it is ok to kill them.

Of course there are extremists in every religion. Islam is a strange creature. Much of Islamic practice can be regional. Also, differences are often based on politics as much as their religion.