Random Questions Thread

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Hmm. But is just going through the motions actually "keeping the law of God"? Since God commands us "thou shalt love the Lord thy God with ALL thy heart, soul, mind, strength" etc. So just going through the motions is not actually obeying God anyway, right? The Pharisees claimed to be keeping the law, and people think they kept the law "but just not sincerely in their heart, they were just going through the motions". Yet Jesus and Paul both declared those people did not in fact keep the law:

Galatians 6:12-13 KJV
As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. [13] For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

So yes definitely one may "go through the motions" in a liturgical sense (performing acts of worship without actually worshipping by faith) but this can happen even among Pentecostals who wave and jump and shout just because they "are Pentecostal and that's how we do it" even though their heart may not be right with God. Like Cain. Of course, there is the question of whether or not Cain even brought the correct offering. And, even more interesting (to me anyway) is how did they both know to bring an offering at some set time, apparently at the same time?

We are told Cain was a tiller of the ground, therefore he offered the fruit of his labor. He didn’t have to buy a lamb from Abel to offer a blood sacrifice. I’ve heard that preached numerous times. Probably borrowed from a Baptist commentary. Cain’s offering failed due to his attitude approaching God. The Pharisees as well as the Zadokites were carnal and turned the temple into an idol. Should I say having church without the Holy Ghost. Sadly what Churchanity is in this day and age. 1 Samuel 15:23 tells us rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. Witchcraft one item found Galatians 5:19-21. Resisting the Holy Ghost is something Israel always did. They refused God’s Law, backsliding into heresy and inevitably sealing their doom.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Romans 11:15-17 KJV
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? [16] For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. [17] And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

The branches broken off are the unbelieving. Therefore, the tree is Israel, considered as the covenant nation still in a covenant relation with God. Those members of the nation that are unbelieving get broken off - the nation's citizenship roll is being pruned, and unbelievers are being removed from the roll. The "gentiles", classed as a "wild olive tree" (ie not cultivated, not part of the garden, just an olive tree out in the forest doing its thing) are graffed in "among them" (the branches of the good olive tree, the branches which are described as "holy" in verse 16). The idea is that branches from a wild olive tree are being grafted into a good (cultivated) olive tree. So the gentiles were being made members
(added to the citizenship roll) of the good olive tree (the covenant nation of God, the legal "Israel").

So in this sense, the good olive tree is that nation of Israelites that had not been divorced from God, and thus remained in covenant with God, and which was given the new covenant, and those members of that tree which rejected the Messiah were removed (cut off, pruned from the tree). Meanwhile, since the new covenant was also to be made with the lost sheep of the House of Israel, which had been declared to be "Lo-Ammi, not-my-people", which are described as the "wild olive tree", therefore those of the wild olive tree who received Christ are grafted into the good olive tree - the nation of Israelites that were still in covenant with God. Keeping in mind that once Christ had come the good olive tree was transitioning into the new covenant, along with those of the wild olive tree, thus the two are made one in Christ. So, yes, the good olive tree that the wild olive branches are grafted into consists of the remnant, the elect, but that is because the unbelieving branches of the good olive tree were being pruned and removed, leaving the elect branches and those branches which were being grafted in.

It should be remembered that the wild olive tree is in fact Israelites, even in the "wild" state. Why? Because Paul is speaking about two olive trees, one good one wild, and being joined together, which is using language from Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, and the other prophets which declared that Israel (all 12 tribes) are the olive tree, and became two houses, one "good" and one "bad" or wild, and which would be brought back together as one nation or one people. The theme in the New Testament is about two groups of people being made one in Christ in fulfillment of prophecy. And that prophecy (the old testament theme) is that Israel became two groups and would be made one in Christ. Therefore, it necessarily follows that the new testament is talking about the same thing the old testament is talking about, and therefore it necessarily follows that the "Jews and Gentiles" of the new testament being made one in Christ are the two groups of Israelites talked about in the old testament (the House of Judah and the {northern kingdom of the} house of Israel).

Are you saying/meaning that Gentiles who believe in Jesus are not actually Gentiles in the original sense, but are descendants of the scattered tribes of Israel who have been brought back into the covenant, hence they are the lost sheep of the house of Israel, aka the wild olive tree, grafted back into the good (cultivated?) olive tree?
Did I get that right?

I’m trying hard to understand it all, Esaias, I’m sure my questions sound kind of dumb and elementary….dont laugh

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shag

Are you saying/meaning that Gentiles who believe in Jesus are not actually Gentiles in the original sense, but are descendants of the scattered tribes of Israel who have been brought back into the covenant, hence they are the lost sheep of the house of Israel, aka the wild olive tree, grafted back into the good (cultivated?) olive tree?
Did I get that right?

I’m trying hard to understand it all, Esaias, I’m sure my questions sound kind of dumb and elementary….dont laugh

Re read his post again.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

Are you saying/meaning that Gentiles who believe in Jesus are not actually Gentiles in the original sense, but are descendants of the scattered tribes of Israel who have been brought back into the covenant, hence they are the lost sheep of the house of Israel, aka the wild olive tree, grafted back into the good (cultivated?) olive tree?
Did I get that right?

I’m trying hard to understand it all, Esaias, I’m sure my questions sound kind of dumb and elementary….dont laugh

Let me see if I can make this more clear (sorry for not communicating this more effectively).

First, you said "gentiles in the original sense". The term "gentiles" is an English translation of the Greek word "ethnoi", which means "ethnic groups" or "nations". So, pretty much, in general, every time you see the word "gentiles" just think "nations". The term has that as it's original meaning. Now, from Israel's point of view, back in the days coming out of Egypt, and during the Judges, the times of the Davidic monarchy, and even during the days of the divided kingdom (Israel and Judah), the term came to be applied to "all the other nations besides the nation or people of Israel". However, it still had its original meaning of simply "nations" (as in Abraham would be the father of many nations, Israel was to become a multitude of nations, etc). By the time of the new testament, the Judean mindset was that "the nations" (gentiles) were all the nations other than Judea, and as such came to mean "the heathen idolaters not in covenant with God". While it is true that the rabbis recognised the "righteous gentile", that is, a non-Judean who worshipped Jehovah and was not an idolater, the term "gentile" for the most part meant a non-Judean. And, "Judean" meant either an ethnic Israelite who was still in covenant with God (circumcised if male) or someone who practiced the religion of Judea (circumcised if male).

Second, the northern House of Israel (approximately 10 tribes of the original 12 tribes) were declared by God in Hosea to be "Lo-Ammi", or "Not-My-People". They were thus "legally" as it were classed as "heathens", as just being a part of "the nations". Yet, Hosea also prophesied they would increase to an uncountable number. This of course is in keeping with the earlier prophecies going all the way back to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc that their descendants (the Israelites) would become a multitude of nations.

In Paul's time, the Gospel was going to "the gentiles" which primarily meant the Greeks, Romans, and the peoples within the Roman Empire. Paul says this was the fulfillment of Hosea's prophecy that the "Not-My-People" House of Israel would be brought back into covenant with God and united with the House of Judah as one people. Therefore, it stands to reason that these new testament "Gentiles" or "nations" are none other than the dispersed but immensely numerous Israelites who had lost their legal right to be called "Israel" (the people of God) but who were responding to the Gospel and who were being made one with the Judean Christians in one Body of Christ.

That would make them (these "gentiles") the wild olive tree, who were then being grafted back into Israel (the lawful covenanted nation of God) which would be the good olive tree. So the "original meaning" of "gentiles" is still applicable, because they were in fact a multitude of nations. The theological or "religious" meaning of "gentiles" is also applicable because they were not circumcised members of the nation of Judea/Judah, so they were "heathens" until they converted to Christ.

I hope that helps. Most of your summary is correct, I just wanted to clarify the issue about "original meaning of gentiles". Most people think "gentiles" means "non-Israelites" and that is it's only meaning. So when they read the new testament and read about "gentiles receiving the Gospel" they think "the Gospel came to Israelites aka Jews but it wound up going to Gentiles aka non-Israelites" which is the root fundamental basis of dispensationalism, as well as catholic and Protestant "replacement theology", both of which are incorrect. Because the term "gentiles" does not mean "people not descended from Jacob". While the people not descended from Jacob are certainly "gentiles", because there are many nations or "ethnic groups" not descended from Jacob, the term "gentiles" does not in itself mean any such thing, it just means "nations" in the literal sense (whether Israelite or not, whether covenanted or heathen or whatever), and "non-covenanted" in the theological sense (again whether Israelite or not).

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Let me see if I can make this more clear (sorry for not communicating this more effectively).

First, you said "gentiles in the original sense". The term "gentiles" is an English translation of the Greek word "ethnoi", which means "ethnic groups" or "nations". So, pretty much, in general, every time you see the word "gentiles" just think "nations". The term has that as it's original meaning. Now, from Israel's point of view, back in the days coming out of Egypt, and during the Judges, the times of the Davidic monarchy, and even during the days of the divided kingdom (Israel and Judah), the term came to be applied to "all the other nations besides the nation or people of Israel". However, it still had its original meaning of simply "nations" (as in Abraham would be the father of many nations, Israel was to become a multitude of nations, etc). By the time of the new testament, the Judean mindset was that "the nations" (gentiles) were all the nations other than Judea, and as such came to mean "the heathen idolaters not in covenant with God". While it is true that the rabbis recognised the "righteous gentile", that is, a non-Judean who worshipped Jehovah and was not an idolater, the term "gentile" for the most part meant a non-Judean. And, "Judean" meant either an ethnic Israelite who was still in covenant with God (circumcised if male) or someone who practiced the religion of Judea (circumcised if male).

Second, the northern House of Israel (approximately 10 tribes of the original 12 tribes) were declared by God in Hosea to be "Lo-Ammi", or "Not-My-People". They were thus "legally" as it were classed as "heathens", as just being a part of "the nations". Yet, Hosea also prophesied they would increase to an uncountable number. This of course is in keeping with the earlier prophecies going all the way back to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc that their descendants (the Israelites) would become a multitude of nations.

In Paul's time, the Gospel was going to "the gentiles" which primarily meant the Greeks, Romans, and the peoples within the Roman Empire. Paul says this was the fulfillment of Hosea's prophecy that the "Not-My-People" House of Israel would be brought back into covenant with God and united with the House of Judah as one people. Therefore, it stands to reason that these new testament "Gentiles" or "nations" are none other than the dispersed but immensely numerous Israelites who had lost their legal right to be called "Israel" (the people of God) but who were responding to the Gospel and who were being made one with the Judean Christians in one Body of Christ.

That would make them (these "gentiles") the wild olive tree, who were then being grafted back into Israel (the lawful covenanted nation of God) which would be the good olive tree. So the "original meaning" of "gentiles" is still applicable, because they were in fact a multitude of nations. The theological or "religious" meaning of "gentiles" is also applicable because they were not circumcised members of the nation of Judea/Judah, so they were "heathens" until they converted to Christ.

I hope that helps. Most of your summary is correct, I just wanted to clarify the issue about "original meaning of gentiles". Most people think "gentiles" means "non-Israelites" and that is it's only meaning. So when they read the new testament and read about "gentiles receiving the Gospel" they think "the Gospel came to Israelites aka Jews but it wound up going to Gentiles aka non-Israelites" which is the root fundamental basis of dispensationalism, as well as catholic and Protestant "replacement theology", both of which are incorrect. Because the term "gentiles" does not mean "people not descended from Jacob". While the people not descended from Jacob are certainly "gentiles", because there are many nations or "ethnic groups" not descended from Jacob, the term "gentiles" does not in itself mean any such thing, it just means "nations" in the literal sense (whether Israelite or not, whether covenanted or heathen or whatever), and "non-covenanted" in the theological sense (again whether Israelite or not).

Now I know people reading this may wonder "well, if the gentiles of the new testament are Israelites, and the prophecies concerning those gentiles are actually concerning Israelites, what then about the Bantu and the Chinaman and other people who are definitely NOT Israelites? Is the Bible silent about them?"

And the answer is of course "No, the Bible is not silent about them."

Congruent with the prophecy that Abraham would be the ancestor of many nations, is the prophecy that Abraham would be "a blessing to all the nations and families of the earth". In other words, the prophetic destiny of God's people is to take the knowledge of the true God to ALL "gentiles", ALL nations, tribes, families, languages, people groups, ALL of them. So that ALL of the nations, tribes, families, languages, people groups would know God and worship Him, so that ALL nations would belong to God in a close covenanted sense. Notice the following:

Psalm 67:1-7 KJV
God be merciful unto us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine upon us; Selah. [2] That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations. [3] Let the people praise thee, O God; let all the people praise thee. [4] O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah. [5] Let the people praise thee, O God; let all the people praise thee. [6] Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God, even our own God, shall bless us. [7] God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

And again:

Revelation 7:2-4 KJV
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, [3] Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. [4] And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Here we have the sealing of the remnant of the 12 tribes of Israel. Then we have this:

Revelation 7:9 KJV
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

While this certainly applies to Israelite nations who were to become a multitude of nations and be as vast as the sand of the sea shore, the fact it says "of ALL nations and kindreds and people and tongues" is clearly a reference to all humanity, echoing the promise made to Abraham about being a blessing to all families of the earth. So God is going to have a people besides just Israelites:

Isaiah 56:3-8 KJV
Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; [5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. [6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

This passage certainly allows for the old covenant conversion of proselytes, but it clearly has a new covenant perspective and fulfilment, especially as it speaks of this in the context of the gathering of Israel. God has never had the idea that His Divine Plan is for the benefit of Israel only. Israel is simply the vessel or mechanism He has been using to spread His knowledge abroad throughout the whole world.

(And of course, by Israel, I am not talking about the country over in Palestine that calls itself "Israel" today.)

[shag]

Why did Jesus say:

“5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


If the new covenant is with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, which one were the Samaritans and gentiles that came to Christ, if Jesus distinguished them from being the lost sheep of the house of Israel?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

Why did Jesus say:

“5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


If the new covenant is with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, which one were the Samaritans and gentiles that came to Christ, if Jesus distinguished them from being the lost sheep of the house of Israel?

What's interesting is that Jesus interacted with both Samaritans and Gentiles, in spite of this instruction. In any event, not all Samaritans or "Gentiles" were of the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The house of Israel was scattered "among" the nations (gentiles) as well as becoming a multitude of nations (gentiles). Their ministry at this time was to seek out Israelites, and NOT to journey to Samaria or to go on foreign mission trips to other countries outside of the lands of Judea and Galilee. There were, in fact, members of the house of Israel in both Judea and Galilee (especially Galilee). Furthermore, the term "lost sheep of the house of Israel", while it certainly can refer to the northern ten-tribed former kingdom of "Israel", can also be applied to all 12 tribes, since "house of Israel" is a Biblical term often used for the whole people group (all 12 tribes). Notice:

Jeremiah 50:6 KJV
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace. (this is referring to both houses of Judah and Israel)

Isaiah 53:5-6 KJV
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. [6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (again, this is the status of all Israel, whether of the southern kingdom of Judah or the northern kingdom of "Israel", it applies to all 12 tribes)

Jeremiah 2:1-4 KJV
Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying, [2] Go and cry in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; I remember thee, the kindness of thy youth, the love of thine espousals, when thou wentest after me in the wilderness, in a land that was not sown. [3] Israel was holiness unto the LORD, and the firstfruits of his increase: all that devour him shall offend; evil shall come upon them, saith the LORD. [4] Hear ye the word of the LORD, O house of Jacob, and all the families of the house of Israel: ("house of Israel" is a standard Biblical term for all 12 tribes, the people descended from Jacob. It was applied to the northern kingdom after the revolt of 12 tribes under Jeroboam because that kingdom had most of the tribes, other than Judah. So "house of Israel" is primarily all 12 tribes, and then secondarily and by extension is it applied to the northern kingdom.)

So the phrase "lost sheep of the house of Israel" technically refers to ANY Israelite of ANY tribe who is a subject of the Gospel message (which would be all of them, in fact). The instruction to "go not" to Samaria or Gentile countries or lands restricts their evangelistic activities to Judea and Galilee. The spread of the Gospel to Samaria and throughout the Roman Empire (and beyond to the ends of the earth) was to take place AFTER Pentecost. But while He was physically on earth, ministering and fulfilling His role as the Suffering Servant, His evangelistic activities were limited to Judea and Galilee, and thus primarily to those Israelites still in Covenant (ie circumcised, ie "Jews"). Therefore His apostles (representatives) are likewise limited in their mission field during that same time. The passage does not result in the logical conclusion that the "Samaritans and Gentiles must not be the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and the only lost sheep of the house of Israel are non-Samaritans and non-Gentiles, and thus Jews", since the prohibition against their evangelizing in those areas was only temporary. Besides which, and this is important to notice, they were ALSO prohibited (by the words of the instruction) from minstering to JEWS OUTSIDE OF JUDEA AND GALILEE.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Now I know people reading this may wonder "well, if the gentiles of the new testament are Israelites, and the prophecies concerning those gentiles are actually concerning Israelites, what then about the Bantu and the Chinaman and other people who are definitely NOT Israelites? Is the Bible silent about them?"

And the answer is of course "No, the Bible is not silent about them."

Congruent with the prophecy that Abraham would be the ancestor of many nations, is the prophecy that Abraham would be "a blessing to all the nations and families of the earth". In other words, the prophetic destiny of God's people is to take the knowledge of the true God to ALL "gentiles", ALL nations, tribes, families, languages, people groups, ALL of them. So that ALL of the nations, tribes, families, languages, people groups would know God and worship Him, so that ALL nations would belong to God in a close covenanted sense. Notice the following:

Psalm 67:1-7 KJV
God be merciful unto us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine upon us; Selah. [2] That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations. [3] Let the people praise thee, O God; let all the people praise thee. [4] O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah. [5] Let the people praise thee, O God; let all the people praise thee. [6] Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God, even our own God, shall bless us. [7] God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

And again:

Revelation 7:2-4 KJV
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, [3] Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. [4] And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Here we have the sealing of the remnant of the 12 tribes of Israel. Then we have this:

Revelation 7:9 KJV
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

While this certainly applies to Israelite nations who were to become a multitude of nations and be as vast as the sand of the sea shore, the fact it says "of ALL nations and kindreds and people and tongues" is clearly a reference to all humanity, echoing the promise made to Abraham about being a blessing to all families of the earth. So God is going to have a people besides just Israelites:

Isaiah 56:3-8 KJV
Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; [5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. [6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

This passage certainly allows for the old covenant conversion of proselytes, but it clearly has a new covenant perspective and fulfilment, especially as it speaks of this in the context of the gathering of Israel. God has never had the idea that His Divine Plan is for the benefit of Israel only. Israel is simply the vessel or mechanism He has been using to spread His knowledge abroad throughout the whole world.

(And of course, by Israel, I am not talking about the country over in Palestine that calls itself "Israel" today.)

Job who was about 5 generations removed from Abraham being a descendant of Abraham as the great grandson of Essau was declared to be the most righteous, upright and perfect man and he was the King of Edom...NOT a Jew.

What Im seeing is that the Hebrew is preferred over the Greek when in actuality the Greek is used to correct missing or incoherent Hebrew.

When you start looking at what was REMOVED you find a clear strategy of elevating a people while minimizing God, mentions of the Ressurrection and clear New Testament theology shown in the New Testament that points to Christ.

It was about the seed of Promise and Faith that belonged as a heritage to all nations that would believe.

[shag]

Anyone familiar with the abbreviated term, IO(Israel Only), or (AIO Ancient Israel Only)?

I’ve seen it being used online a couple of times, but I am not familiar with it at all.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Job who was about 5 generations removed from Abraham being a descendant of Abraham as the great grandson of Essau was declared to be the most righteous, upright and perfect man and he was the King of Edom...NOT a Jew.

The issue isn't about "Jews", but Israel. But more importantly, what you stated is a supposition based upon an addendum to the Septuagint version of Job, in which at the end of the text a statement is made that "The Syriac version says..." and then the details you gave are listed. In other words, the idea that Job was "5 generations removed from Abraham, the great grandson of Esau, the king of Edom" is ONLY noted in a scribal note attached to a Greek copy of Job reporting what is supposedly said in an unknown and currently non-existing "Syriac" manuscript.

What Im seeing is that the Hebrew is preferred over the Greek when in actuality the Greek is used to correct missing or incoherent Hebrew.

I generally prefer the Greek text to the Masoretic text, but that doesn't really affect the current topic. Even if the scribal addendum to some Greek manuscripts referencing unknown Syrian tradition were entirely truthful and correct, it wouldn't change anything, as far as I can see, since the subject here being discussed is the correct identification of the "gentiles" in the new testament who were being joined together with the "Jews" (Judeans) under the new covenant as a fulfillment of numerous Bible prophecies.

When you start looking at what was REMOVED you find a clear strategy of elevating a people while minimizing God, mentions of the Ressurrection and clear New Testament theology shown in the New Testament that points to Christ.

What exactly was "removed"? And by whom? And what "people" are being elevated while minimizing God, and again by whom is this elevation and minimizing being done?

It was about the seed of Promise and Faith that belonged as a heritage to all nations that would believe.

The word "heritage" is essentially "inheritance", meaning something inherited or received as a matter of RIGHT. Israel is of course declared to be God's heritage:

Psalm 94:1-5 KJV
O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. [2] Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. [3] LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph? [4] How long shall they utter and speak hard things? and all the workers of iniquity boast themselves? [5] They break in pieces thy people, O LORD, and afflict thine heritage.

Psalm 94:14 KJV
For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Joel 3:2 KJV
I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Deuteronomy 32:9 KJV
For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

And God is acknowledged as the inheritance or heritage of the saints:

Psalm 16:5 KJV
The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: thou maintainest my lot.

The law of God is one of the things that are part of Israel's inheritance or heritage:

Deuteronomy 33:4 KJV
Moses commanded us a law, even the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob.

Psalm 119:111 KJV
Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for they are the rejoicing of my heart.

Obviously, the land of Canaan is part of the inheritance of Israel:

Psalm 78:55 KJV
He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents.

Every territory occupied by any nation is generally considered their "inheritance" or "heritage", appointed to them by God:

Deuteronomy 32:8 KJV
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 2:9 KJV
And the LORD said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession.

I cannot find any Scriptures that declare God is the "inheritance" or "heritage" or "inherited possession" of the nations in general. What we do find however is the Messiah being promised to inherit the nations and the whole earth:

Psalm 2:8 KJV
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

We see that God shall inherit all nations:

Psalm 82:8 KJV
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

So I do not see that all the nations have a claim on God or Christ, as an inheritance. Rather, God has a claim on all the nations, in that He will inherit them (thus they will all become His "heritage" or "inheritance" or "possession", which implies they will know Him, obey Him, and be His people). God made all nations, and intends to bring them all into the knowledge of God and the Truth, and chose Israel as the missionary evangelistic vessel to accomplish that ultimate goal. All the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, the nations will be discipled and learn God's ways, etc.