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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Please interpret/comment on:

Ezekiel 20:23-26

Thank you

They they played the harlot under every green tree. God then turned them over to a reprobate mind until they were made desolate. They just didn’t break the sabbath, they polluted the sabbath. Mystery, Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of abominations of the earth.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

They they played the harlot under every green tree. God then turned them over to a reprobate mind until they were made desolate. They just didn’t break the sabbath, they polluted the sabbath. Mystery, Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of abominations of the earth.

Thank you.

This verse is odd:

Ezekiel 20:25
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Were the statues not good because they brought death? It is odd that God would say His statutes aren't good.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Thank you.

This verse is odd:

Ezekiel 20:25
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Were the statues not good because they brought death? It is odd that God would say His statutes aren't good.

Yes, Romans 7:9. The blessing and the cursing. The law brought death Romans 7:10. The song of Moses Deuteronomy 32 was the warning which neither the Northern or the Southern kingdoms could regard. Again, they just didn’t break sabbaths, they polluted and desecrated them.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Thank you.

This verse is odd:

Ezekiel 20:25
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Were the statues not good because they brought death? It is odd that God would say His statutes aren't good.

Ezekiel 20:11 KJV
And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

Compared with:

Ezekiel 20:16,21 KJV
Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols. [21] Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

These clearly show that God's law is good and wholesome. But then we read the verse you mentioned:

Ezekiel 20:24-26 KJV
Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. [25] Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; [26] And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.

So, God gave them His law, which is good and wholesome, but they rejected God's statutes and laws, and instead walked in the statutes and judgments of the heathen. THESE are not good, they bring death ("the wages of sin is DEATH", and "sin is the transgression of the law"). So what is going on here? How is it that God says HE gave them these heathen death-dealing statutes and judgments? He says HE polluted them "in their own gifts" (sacrifices, which included child sacrifice). He also says it was "that I might make them desolate".

This is a description of the judgment of the LORD when His people reject His ways and His truth. He gives them up to their own nonsense, He gives them up to their sins (transgressions). Notice the same pattern in the new testament:

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 KJV
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

We see it again in Romans:

Romans 1:21-32 KJV
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. [24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. [26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, [30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

It should be noted that God doesn't just give people up to a sexually immoral mentality, but to ALL the things listed in verse 29, 30, and 31. In other words, God gives them over to the law of sin and death.

That is, God gives them over to the thing they chose, and they become the bondslaves of their own sinfulness.

This is the same sentiment expressed in the Psalm:

Psalm 81:10-12 KJV
I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it. [11] But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me. [12] So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.


And Isaiah says:

Isaiah 63:17 KJV
O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.

Stephen says:

Acts 7:41-43 KJV
And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. [42] Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? [43] Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

[Amanah]

Thank you!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Brown-Driver-Briggs
רָקִיעַ noun masculineGenesis 1:6 extended surface, (solid) expanse (as if beaten out; compare Job 37:18); — absolute ׳ר Ezekiel 1:22 +, construct ׳רְ Genesis 1:14 +; — ᵐ5 στερέωμα, ᵑ9 firmamentum, compare Syriac below √above; —
1 (flat) expanse (as if of ice, compare כְּעֵין הַקֶּרַח), as base, support (WklAltor. Forsch. iv. 347) Ezekiel 1:22,23,25(gloss ? compare Co Toy), Ezekiel 1:26 (supporting ׳י's throne). Hence (CoEzekiel 1:22)

2 the vault of heaven, or 'firmament,' regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting 'waters' above it, Genesis 1:6,7 (3 t. in verse); Genesis 1:8 (called שָׁמַיַם; all P), Psalm 19:2 ("" הַשָּׁמַיַם), ׳זֹהַר הָר Daniel 12:3; also ׳ר הַשָּׁמִיִם Genesis 1:14,15,17, ׳הַשּׁ ׳עַלמְּֿנֵי ר Genesis 1:20 (all P). **רְקִיעַ עֻזּוֺ Psalm 150:1 (suffix reference to ׳י).

Which implies the whole "space program" is fake...

[shag]

Romans 9:3-5
3For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.



Just verifying something here.
The “my own countrymen”, of verse 3.
The “who are Israelites”, of verse 4.
As well as the, “of whom”, of verse 5.
(Of which are all the things listed)

Who ALL is considered as being able to fall into this category, and why?


(I realize this proceeds the pointing out of a true Israel within Israel)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shag

Romans 9:3-5
3For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.



Just verifying something here.
The “my own countrymen”, of verse 3.
The “who are Israelites”, of verse 4.
As well as the, “of whom”, of verse 5.
(Of which are all the things listed)

Who ALL is considered as being able to fall into this category, and why?


(I realize this proceeds the pointing out of a true Israel within Israel)

The people who Paul is addressing were Biblical Israelites according to the flesh (Biblical linage) which are no longer around. No one living today can prove they’re an Israelite according to the flesh.