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Old 03-14-2009, 11:59 PM
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History of tithes in North America

New article in Christianity today.

Surprising article, for entire discussion including just how new collecting tithes is in North America click link below.



Passing the Plate
After America ended state support of churches in the early 19th century, the collection of "tithes and offerings" became a standard feature of Sunday morning worship.
by Mark Rogers

Thursday, March 12, 2009


As instrumentalists play or a soloist sings, as ushers file slowly down the aisles, congregants give money as an act of worship and to support the ministry of the church. If the people don't give, then the pastor goes unpaid, the building never gets built, and the missionaries stay home. When Christians go to church, most expect the collection of an offering as much as they expect preaching, singing, and prayer. Unlike preaching, singing, and prayer, however, the weekly offering did not become a fixture in American worship services until the late 19th century.

Colonial American churches did not depend on voluntary, weekly giving from their members. Instead, as had been the case in Europe, the government established churches, sanctioning certain congregations and supporting them financially. Most New England colonies established Congregational churches, while the Southern colonies along with New York, New Jersey, and Maryland established the Anglican Church. Most of the colonies could not imagine a state without an established church. A prosperous society depended on having citizens of good character, and the people expected churches to create virtuous citizens. Since churches served the public good, it made sense to fund them through public taxes and fees—such as poll and property taxes—rather than voluntary offerings.

Public funding of American churches did not cease immediately after the American Revolution. While the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibited Congress from establishing a national church, the states still supported churches through taxes. In the years following the Revolution, men like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and John Leland fought against religious establishment in Virginia. Isaac Backus and other Baptist ministers led the charge in New England. Only in 1833, when Massachusetts rescinded its religious tax, was every state church in the Union officially disestablished.








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Interesting. Thanks for posting this JG!

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Is church bingo tithing?
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Can I donate a lottery ticket?
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Re: History of tithes in North America

Here is the history of tithing.
http://www.tossingtables.com/podcasts/tithing.html
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A bit off topic, but an ultra con church recently told the congregation that all of the tithing was for the ministry and gave them the % of income in offerings they should be giving for the operation of the church.
(the size of congregation has diminished in last couple years)
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A bit off topic, but an ultra con church recently told the congregation that all of the tithing was for the ministry and gave them the % of income in offerings they should be giving for the operation of the church.
(the size of congregation has diminished in last couple years)
And they'd be diminished by three more when my family left had I heard such a statement! WOW! Got any scriptural basis or precedent for any of that?
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The interesting thing about this is that it nullifies the notion that the intent of the Framers of the Constitution wanted to completly seperate all forms of relegious activity from the public square.

If for 40 years there was no federal challenge to state law on the subject, then one cannot argue that the intent of the constitution is to keep the 10 commandments out of state houses or manger scenes off the court house lawn.
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The interesting thing about this is that it nullifies the notion that the intent of the Framers of the Constitution wanted to completly seperate all forms of relegious activity from the public square.

If for 40 years there was no federal challenge to state law on the subject, then one cannot argue that the intent of the constitution is to keep the 10 commandments out of state houses or manger scenes off the court house lawn.
True, I thought it was an interesting article on many levels.

BTW, and for the record, I still believe in supporting the local church with "tithes" and offerings and practice it. But I have never fallen back on Mal 3 for support. And don't believe it to be a salvation issue.

Cor 16:1-2 is a good principal and 10% a good guideline.
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