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Old 12-10-2019, 09:18 PM
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Chapter 7 describes the all too common religion of resolves and self efforts, without reliance on the power of the Holy Ghost.
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Where I differ with Esaias in Romans 7 is that I believe it DOES apply to a born again believer who does not understand the true way to serve the Lord. In fact, I believe ALL Christians will make the mistake of Romans 7's problem if they do not learn the facts of Romans 6 first.
I never denied that a Christian could fall into the Romans 7 trap. I do however believe Paul's intent was to contrast the experiences of those under grace with those under law. A Christian who attempts to live by their own power apart from the Spirit will find themselves in the same place as the sinner under conviction who attempts reforming their life without regeneration. Because they both are doing the same thing. If you want what someone has, do what they do. In this case, the corrolary is true: doing what the legalist does gets you the legalist's results.
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Once again, in CALVINISM free will only refers to the ability to choose salvation- which a Calvinist believes is impossible.

Every OTHER decision a person makes is referred to as free agency.

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Once again, in CALVINISM free will only refers to the ability to choose salvation- which a Calvinist believes is impossible.

Every OTHER decision a person makes is referred to as free agency.

So CALVINISM makes up its own definitions to suit its theories. Neat trick.
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So CALVINISM makes up its own definitions to suit its theories. Neat trick.
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I never denied that a Christian could fall into the Romans 7 trap. I do however believe Paul's intent was to contrast the experiences of those under grace with those under law. A Christian who attempts to live by their own power apart from the Spirit will find themselves in the same place as the sinner under conviction who attempts reforming their life without regeneration. Because they both are doing the same thing. If you want what someone has, do what they do. In this case, the corrolary is true: doing what the legalist does gets you the legalist's results.
True, though I feel Romans 7 is primarily dealing with born again believers WHO KNEW NOT the truths of Romans 6, which is why Paul repeatedly asked "KNOW YE NOT?" If we do not understand that we must know we died with Christ, reckon it to be true for ourselves, and then yield to God with that understanding, we WILL repeat the struggle of Romans 7. So, Paul appealed to what they did not about Law in Romans 7 to help them realize what they had to know about Romans 6, and walked them through the struggle as if he struggled when he actually did not.
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