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Old 01-18-2019, 07:46 AM
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Hey friend you should not be talking like this. Its OK to debate but Christians dont respond this way.
sorry i did not want to debate. Sorry.
No Christians dodnt debate.That what i said was Bible itself.
I accept questions (i am asking too) but not debade the Word.
\Amen, sorry.
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Old 01-18-2019, 07:49 AM
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Hey friend you should not be talking like this. Its OK to debate but Christians dont respond this way.
("The Spirit in the Son was God, the flseh not"

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Old 01-18-2019, 08:07 AM
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5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
"God was in Christ"
"9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Ι
Who is the "holy thing'? Who is the "anointed one" and who he who anointed him?
Does the flesh was God? does the flesh anointed by himself?
God did an image for himself and dweled in that flesh. God is Spirit. The anointed was anointed BY the Spirit of God (God is Spirit). That flesh was the IMAGE of the invisible Spirit. So the Spirit was not the flesh ,but the flesh was the image.
God did not became a man. The Word was MADE flesh . Neither God is flesh ,neither God was made by anyone! God made that flesh. God did his word flesh!! "and we saw his glory,like the ONLY BEGOTTEN of His Father"
God is not begotten.
God is not human. Even Jesus said "I am doing NOTHING of myself! Father that is IN MEEE ,He do the works"
For who was speaking the Son? Why was God and do nothing by himself?
Well for all those who accept my words (becuse is Word of God, not mine) say amen. And all who think that those are ine words .Listen Gino, even he (and all Church) believes the same.
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Old 01-18-2019, 08:09 AM
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sorry i did not want to debate. Sorry.
No Christians dodnt debate.That what i said was Bible itself.
I accept questions (i am asking too) but not debade the Word.
\Amen, sorry.
how the hell would God pray to himself? It was not the flesh? How the hell he TOOK and INDERITED ? and from WHOM?

This is what im talking about. Not the scriptures.
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Old 01-18-2019, 08:15 AM
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how the hell would God pray to himself? It was not the flesh? How the hell he TOOK and INDERITED ? and from WHOM?

This is what im talking about. Not the scriptures.
Anyway i apologise for that word (you mean the word hell right?) i li9stenned and i liked ,i thought was an expression like "wow that is crazy"
Again sorry, if was bad word.

5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
"God was in Christ"
"9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Ι
Who is the "holy thing'? Who is the "anointed one" and who he who anointed him?
Does the flesh was God? does the flesh anointed by himself?
God did an image for himself and dweled in that flesh. God is Spirit. The anointed was anointed BY the Spirit of God (God is Spirit). That flesh was the IMAGE of the invisible Spirit. So the Spirit was not the flesh ,but the flesh was the image.
God did not became a man. The Word was MADE flesh . Neither God is flesh ,neither God was made by anyone! God made that flesh. God did his word flesh!! "and we saw his glory,like the ONLY BEGOTTEN of His Father"
God is not begotten.
God is not human. Even Jesus said "I am doing NOTHING of myself! Father that is IN MEEE ,He do the works"
For who was speaking the Son? Why was God and do nothing by himself?
Well for all those who accept my words (because is Word of God, not mine) say amen. And all who think that those are ine words .Listen Gino, even he (and all Church) believes the same.
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Well, that took an interesting turn.
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Well, that took an interesting turn.
Sorry but that language is unacceptable to me...maybe a culture thing I dont know. Hope it didnt seem like I originated the quote.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:23 PM
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Lol This is the first time in all my years I think I heard someone basically cuss while discussing the godhead.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:23 PM
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[QUOTE=hometown guy;1556918]Lol This is the first time in all my years I think I heard someone basically cuss while discussing the godhead.[/QUOwhat exactly was cuss. It was not you ? that you said bad things about what5 i said (that was the Word of God)?
And was me , that i said WHAT THE HEAL?
Yes my friend, all that what is being said against the Truth is from HELL and there it goes....
it was not a blasphemy all tat posts that you did against you brother (me) and the Word of God?
Yoy didnt like i said God was In Christ That the holy thing was born is the Son of God?
what you did not like?
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.
what the HEAL brother? Oneness people from USA can not understand the Truth? Is my first time i speak with a Christian and does not agree with me! Always listen "Alleluia!" Glory to God.." ...'Jesus us my Father" etc,
I knew (and all Church knew) that there are SOME "oneness" that blasphemy the Son of God but i did not spoke with anyone..what the heel brother? what you did not agree and said AMEN to that wonderful thing?
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:25 PM
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My lovely brothers .
God had a plan, a thought ,and the reason for God did the world was Jesus.
He wanted to manifest in flesh.
So how God came in flesh?
God gave birth to a human. Tha the Word made flesh. God spoke for him:
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 2
The child was named Son of God ,just because got birth from the Spirit.
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
That flesh is not God himself! Is Gods son.
20 Who verily was "foreordained" before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
(the text has the word predicted Jesus ,the Son,the man was predicted by the Father.
He knew his obedience and his perfect submission to the law and he saw the resurrection and His glory too.
He did all thing THROUGH him. Thas the Word, All prophetic Word in the Old Testament speak about the Son.

Then God came inside him ,at Baptism. He came without measure. I like our baptism but Jesus had the Spirit without measure!
And also gave that wonderful and real testimony:
1[I]6 And Jesus, when he was baptised, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.[/I]
Brothers and sister, why you think God did not mean just what He told ? He spoke those words again and again.
That was the revelation of Peter! The Church is upon that statement:
Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.1 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Even the Gospel of John ,that speaks specifically about who Jesus was, never said "i am the Father" never claimed to be God (just equal to God).Why?
Because until he was glorified he could not say i am God, why? Because he received Hid deity and glory from the Father:
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


God was In Christ, God was the Spirit who gave birth to Christ and then came inside him. Tha was God (invisible) manifest in flseh (visible body of the Son).
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father*, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;** and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
*God is Spirit and invisible.

**God manifest in flesh, he who has see me (the visible man) has see the Father.how?
***That is how:God was inside the man Jesus, and Jesus totally submissive to His Father ,did not spoke or did anything from himself ,bnut the Father that was inside him ,did and spoke all that!
God was inside that body and even invisible ,people sow God through his actions,works and speech.

Now, the man Jesus, was predestined and glorified in Father before the foundation of the world! God was in Jesus ,before even was born.
God saw his obedience and his work at the cross but also the glory!!!!
So after God manifest to us through that body, and died for our sins (we dont have forgivenesses if we dont believe that the man Jesus died for us)
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
God did his Son ,Lord.

He gave his name to him.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him.
that was the Word. nut was just "word in the mind of God"
after the word was made (by God) flesh:
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him,* and given him **a name which is above every name:
Brothers & sisters, i can choose many verses (i think you should know them better that me) but this one is enough ,to remind you that God:
*resurrected that body,through was manifest, and not only manifest but also did all thing through Him All the world.
**God gave his name,and glory, and the "promise of the Holy Spirit" to him.Who gave to whom? Clearly speaks about God and his Son, Spirit and flesh.amen?

God came in flesh, God does not recived anything by anyone. God is not an apostle.but the Son was an apostle , the Son was made, and sended. The son was glorified and received the glory and name of God.
Look how serious is to believe to God through His Son.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one

*First of all Jesus said as WE are onw, and also "we will come in him" (who beliefe) it speaks for the Spirit we have. God was in Christ in earth, was actualy in him before the world (logos) and still in him, in that glorified body.
So when we recieve the Spirit, that is again the same God in Christ!! "thou in me" and "i in them" Glory to God.
**Second is that he gave as that glory which he had and that is:
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
What a wonderful revelation! And we will be as him :And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;
But what glory Jesus received now? (the glory always had as Logos in the mind of God):
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Glory to God:

6 For unto us a child is born*, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
*Child is born is not God, God does not born by anyone neither needs someone else to given to him anything.
**His name (of the child) SHALL BE (later, when God will give to him) God was always everlasting Father ,but the Son received that by his Father.
Welcome to real Monotheisms. God in Christ .
tell me now? amen or no? (i want everyone who is "oneness" to say amen or just exp[lain what he did not agree with? (the bible?) amen.

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