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01-04-2011, 07:23 PM
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
Is it possible Dan thinks of himself as the conscience of the upc ?
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01-04-2011, 09:42 PM
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
ahhh DA,
just curious here, correct me if I am wrong,
but the affirmation doesn't state you HAVE to preach against those issues,
and the vote said YOU COULD minister on that form of media.
just a thought there
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01-04-2011, 09:54 PM
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
I thought by now some enterprising church would have sponsered a Ruth Reider special promoting holy hair doctrine on their local cable system.
I can just picture it. RR and LS sitting in chairs on a set discusing the finer points of the HH doctrine interspaced by reinactments of protection and healing experienced by uncut hair women who call on the power of their long uncut hair to heal or protect.
Perhaps some cheesy special effect showing a room of women and those with uncut long hair each have that extra special guardian angel while the rest don't.
Oh the possibilities are endless!!!!
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Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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01-04-2011, 09:57 PM
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
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Originally Posted by CC1
I thought by now some enterprising church would have sponsered a Ruth Reider special promoting holy hair doctrine on their local cable system.
I can just picture it. RR and LS sitting in chairs on a set discusing the finer points of the HH doctrine interspaced by reinactments of protection and healing experienced by uncut hair women who call on the power of their long uncut hair to heal or protect.
Perhaps some cheesy special effect showing a room of women and those with uncut long hair each have that extra special guardian angel while the rest don't.
Oh the possibilities are endless!!!!
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I would actually like to get involved in that! I would play the straight guy (in the comedy sense, like Dick Laudin -Bob Newhart, interviewing them).
I can just imagine how much fun the graphics would be!
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01-04-2011, 10:03 PM
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
I am pretty sure that Clearwater church in Florida is on TV now. My daughter went there for a while.
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01-05-2011, 04:41 AM
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Scripture > Tradition
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
Mike Anderson in Pasadena, TX has been on local cable access for years if I understand it right.
Also there are some churches in LA who have been on local TV for some time, when TF Tenny was District Super he allowed through benign neglect it from what I have heard since its his philosophy that any valid method of evangelism is fine and dandy.
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01-05-2011, 07:08 AM
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Freedom@apostolicidentity .com
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
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Originally Posted by Melody
ahhh DA,
just curious here, correct me if I am wrong,
but the affirmation doesn't state you HAVE to preach against those issues,
and the vote said YOU COULD minister on that form of media.
just a thought there
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I will correct you ... Melodious. Of the 24 articles of faith only two are affirmed. One is the the Fundamental Doctrine ... of which belief is affirmed ... and the second is the Holiness articles in which the pledge, vow, oath is to embrace, preach and teach.
The Affirmation Statement signed every two years reads:
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I (Minister's name), do hereby declare that I believe and embrace the Fundamental Doctrine as stated in the Articles of Faith as set forth in the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International. I also believe and embrace the holiness standards of the United Pentecostal Church International as set forth in said Articles of Faith, and I pledge to practice, preach, and teach the same
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This is what good ol' Leon wanted you to preach and teach WHOLEHEARTEDLY. From the Westberg resolution:
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Whereas the Fundamental Doctrine and the Articles of
Faith of our organization are Scriptural teachings and our pledge to
wholeheartedly teach and preach our standards of holiness which we all agreed to abide by when we applied for membership in the United Pentecostal Church
International, and which we are forbidden to speak or write in opposition
to (General Constitution, Article VII, Section 7, Paragraph 15), and
Whereas some have endeavored to retain their current fellowship card while
departing from the faith as outlined in our Articles of Faith, and have even
threatened to go to law and sue the United Pentecostal Church International if they are dealt with by their District Board,
Therefore be it resolved that the following statement be sent to each minister to be signed before his or her fellowship card for the following year yearis mailed from the World Evangelism Center."
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The Holiness article which a UPCI minister must PLEDGE TO WHOLEHEARTEDLY embrace, preach and teach includes the following portion added in 1954 which was not part of the original PCI Holiness article adapted at the merger:
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We wholeheartedly disapprove of our people indulging in any activities which
are not conducive to good Christianity and Godly living, such as theaters,
dances, mixed bathing, women cutting their hair, make-up, any apparel that immodestly exposes the body, all worldly sports and amusements, and unwholesome radio programs and music. Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils on television, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church.
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I believe anywhere from 75 to 95% of the fellowship has breached this pledge since signing it last.
With the onset of blogs, foruma and sites like WeDeclare we find ministers also voicing their opposition to both FD and Holiness articles.
The TV evangelism resolution in Tampa simply allows for ministers to use the media under certain circumstances to evangelize, teach, make money etc ... but by no means empowers him or his church to watch the program via a television.
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Last edited by DAII; 01-05-2011 at 07:40 AM.
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01-05-2011, 07:25 AM
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Freedom@apostolicidentity .com
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1
I thought by now some enterprising church would have sponsered a Ruth Reider special promoting holy hair doctrine on their local cable system.
I can just picture it. RR and LS sitting in chairs on a set discusing the finer points of the HH doctrine interspaced by reinactments of protection and healing experienced by uncut hair women who call on the power of their long uncut hair to heal or protect.
Perhaps some cheesy special effect showing a room of women and those with uncut long hair each have that extra special guardian angel while the rest don't.
Oh the possibilities are endless!!!!
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Kudos to admin for the mockery and bone-pickin' ...
Yawn.
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01-05-2011, 07:27 AM
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
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Originally Posted by DAII
Kudos to admin for the mockery and bone-pickin' ...
Yawn.
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Oh, so only mockery and bone-pickin by DAII is good? I guess mine wasn't crass enough to meet your standards.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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01-05-2011, 07:29 AM
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Freedom@apostolicidentity .com
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: Since It Became "Legal" Any UPCer's on TV?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Oh, so only mockery and bone-pickin by DAII is good? I guess mine wasn't crass enough to meet your standards.
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I much prefer yours when it deals with posters one on one or ministers in Arizona.
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