Generational Curses?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Younger generation claiming their elders were ignorant or in denial... where have I heard that before?

Brother, I’m here in no wise to offend. Please, understand I’m addressing a spirit that is in our ranks. I’m not rebuking the older generation, with that said Paul said “let no man despise thy youth”. When I came to this gospel I was given Verbal Beans books, and I as exposed to what this spiritual walk is meant to be. Maybe I should rephrase my post your quoting, instead of say the elders were in denial. Let me say it this way, if you have pigs in a ice cream parlor, ignoring it will only make the matter worse, you need to get the pigs out of the parlor. I know the problems in our ranks are because we’ve ignored it for far too long.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Brother, I’m here in no wise to offend. Please, understand I’m addressing a spirit that is in our ranks. I’m not rebuking the older generation, with that said Paul said “let no man despise thy youth”. When I came to this gospel I was given Verbal Beans books, and I as exposed to what this spiritual walk is meant to be. Maybe I should rephrase my post your quoting, instead of say the elders were in denial. Let me say it this way, if you have pigs in a ice cream parlor, ignoring it will only make the matter worse, you need to get the pigs out of the parlor. I know the problems in our ranks are because we’ve ignored it for far too long.

1. What are the problems in our ranks, as you see them?

2. What is to be done about these problems?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The bible doesn't mention opening a door for the devil, but it does say not to give the devil a place in your life.
When we are baptized in Jesus name we are freed from sin (God's Part), but we have a part also,
our part is to walk worthy of our calling, having our mind and way of living renewed by the Spirit of Christ.

I agree.

Ecc 10:8..He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a..serpent..shall..bite..him.

Think of Job's hedge.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

If generational curses were only involving Israel, and I believe that “Israel” was taken care of in 70AD, then what was there problem? Why did both the Dad and Son struggle with depression which lead to their suicide? I believe we need to wake up and start answering these questions. So, instead of a generational curse, can we say that was a familiar spirit? That the Dad entertained probably came from his dad or from an event in his childhood and that spirit then tormented his son? We need to wake up and see the spirit realm is very real, curses still do exist, and we’re seeing many upci, wpf, aljc etc... struggling with depression, anxiety, perversion, were seeing cancers on the rise, sicknesses unto death in the church! Hear me, the spirit realm is exposing our weakness!

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Younger generation claiming their elders were ignorant or in denial... where have I heard that before?

Hmmm, so how do you know this person is young? I went to their profile and it does not give an age. That is pretty presumptuous of you.

I happen to agree with this person on this.

We are reaping in Pentecost the results of the last generation, as a whole, walking away from the belief in the working of the Spirit against demonic spirits.

There were some, such as verbal bean, who did believe in this thought pattern but many, and I do mean many, don't.

So consequently we are reaping the lack of their spirituality.

So much of Pentecost today is carnal, or working just in their fleshy understanding. Therefore every decision they make is based not on God but on their understanding.

Many people, including ministers, walking according to their flesh, then crying when they reap according to their flesh. Conservative and liberals alike, it doesn't make much difference.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Hmmm, so how do you know this person is young? I went to their profile and it does not give an age. That is pretty presumptuous of you.

I happen to agree with this person on this.

We are reaping in Pentecost the results of the last generation, as a whole, walking away from the belief in the working of the Spirit against demonic spirits.

There were some, such as verbal bean, who did believe in this thought pattern but many, and I do mean many, don't.

So consequently we are reaping the lack of their spirituality.

So much of Pentecost today is carnal, or working just in their fleshy understanding. Therefore every decision they make is based not on God but on their understanding.

Many people, including ministers, walking according to their flesh, then crying when they reap according to their flesh. Conservative and liberals alike, it doesn't make much difference.

Really? When a person speaks of "the older generation" or "previous generation" it makes perfect sense to assume that speaker isn't identifying as a member of that generation, but rather as a member of the current (or "younger") generation.

What is this "previous generation walking away" from? Y'all are saying the previous generation of Pentecostals didn't believe in casting out demons? I find that hard to believe.

Here's what I've seen. Older Pentecostals who came into the church back in the 50s and 60s (or earlier) have almost ALWAYS WITHOUT FAIL impressed me as being light years more spiritual than about 99% of any Pentecostals who came into the church later. So I find it fascinating how the younger generation (those who are in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and early 60s) seems to think they know better than their elders. I also think it's the height of arrogance for modern Pentecostals to look at the state of the church, say it's in terrible shape, and then drop the blame on their elders. Literally no different than GenZ and Millennials and GenXers blaming society's problems on boomers.

Never mind the fact that the "church today" is primarily YOUR GENERATION. So if it sucks, it's because y'all suck, not because your elders sucked. The present generation's apostasy and carnality isn't Mom and Dad's fault. Put the blame right where it belongs - on the present generation.

Neither you nor Nicodemus have supplied any BIBLE that says what you guys are saying. You guys haven't even defined your terms, as I mentioned in response to your questions to me. You are literally just making vague statements and saying "trust me". You have taken the time to post repeatedly in this thread, but can't seem to find the time to lay it out chapter and verse? Why is that?

I submit it is because you don't have chapter and verse for whatever it is you are trying to say. Which I STILL don't even know exactly what that is since nobody on your side wants to explain anything! If you can't, and you just have an inexplicable "hunch", then that's fine. But leave it at that.

If we teach anything, we need to be able and willing to lay it out book chapter verse. Otherwise we come across as pushing our own personal opinions as gospel, like wanna be popes.

Also, demanding SCRIPTURAL PROOF OF A PURPORTED DOCTRINE IS NEVER CARNAL BUT NOBLE MINDED ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. Doing things based on one's understanding is not bad if one's understanding is Scriptural. Just gullibly accepting what is taught without testing the spirit of that teaching is unbiblical, unwise, and dangerous. How is the test performed? By comparing what is taught with what was taught by the apostles and prophets, ie the written Word. If a doctrine doesn't line up with the Bible, I confidently reject it. If a teacher refuses to even try to demonstrate book chapter and verse then I confidently reject their opinions as authoritative and them as any kind of teacher.

In THIS case, in this thread, I am literally begging you to line out your doctrine book chapter and verse so I can understand. Can you please do that?

[Esaias]

Was this author apostolic?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Really? When a person speaks of "the older generation" or "previous generation" it makes perfect sense to assume that speaker isn't identifying as a member of that generation, but rather as a member of the current (or "younger") generation.

What is this "previous generation walking away" from? Y'all are saying the previous generation of Pentecostals didn't believe in casting out demons? I find that hard to believe.

Here's what I've seen. Older Pentecostals who came into the church back in the 50s and 60s (or earlier) have almost ALWAYS WITHOUT FAIL impressed me as being light years more spiritual than about 99% of any Pentecostals who came into the church later. So I find it fascinating how the younger generation (those who are in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and early 60s) seems to think they know better than their elders. I also think it's the height of arrogance for modern Pentecostals to look at the state of the church, say it's in terrible shape, and then drop the blame on their elders. Literally no different than GenZ and Millennials and GenXers blaming society's problems on boomers.

Never mind the fact that the "church today" is primarily YOUR GENERATION. So if it sucks, it's because y'all suck, not because your elders sucked. The present generation's apostasy and carnality isn't Mom and Dad's fault. Put the blame right where it belongs - on the present generation.

Neither you nor Nicodemus have supplied any BIBLE that says what you guys are saying. You guys haven't even defined your terms, as I mentioned in response to your questions to me. You are literally just making vague statements and saying "trust me". You have taken the time to post repeatedly in this thread, but can't seem to find the time to lay it out chapter and verse? Why is that?

I submit it is because you don't have chapter and verse for whatever it is you are trying to say. Which I STILL don't even know exactly what that is since nobody on your side wants to explain anything! If you can't, and you just have an inexplicable "hunch", then that's fine. But leave it at that.

If we teach anything, we need to be able and willing to lay it out book chapter verse. Otherwise we come across as pushing our own personal opinions as gospel, like wanna be popes.

Also, demanding SCRIPTURAL PROOF OF A PURPORTED DOCTRINE IS NEVER CARNAL BUT NOBLE MINDED ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. Doing things based on one's understanding is not bad if one's understanding is Scriptural. Just gullibly accepting what is taught without testing the spirit of that teaching is unbiblical, unwise, and dangerous. How is the test performed? By comparing what is taught with what was taught by the apostles and prophets, ie the written Word. If a doctrine doesn't line up with the Bible, I confidently reject it. If a teacher refuses to even try to demonstrate book chapter and verse then I confidently reject their opinions as authoritative and them as any kind of teacher.

In THIS case, in this thread, I am literally begging you to line out your doctrine book chapter and verse so I can understand. Can you please do that?

Brother,
What can I outline for you? I’ll put chapter and verse on it. By the way Frank Hammond was filled with the Holy Ghost, and lived a God fearing life other than some of the musicians songs we sing in our churches....

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Brother,
What can I outline for you? I’ll put chapter and verse on it. By the way Frank Hammond was filled with the Holy Ghost, and lived a God fearing life other than some of the musicians songs we sing in our churches....

He was apparently a Baptist charismatic? Not sure what songs y'all sing, but we sing primarily metrical psalms, original hymns, and the old stand-by's.

I'm just trying to figure out what exactly is being promoted or claimed here. Not trying to be argumentative, though I sometimes come across as a bit testy. Looking forward to what you have to present.

[Nicodemus1968]

For all my Brothers and Sisters, this is a little background to what I posted a couple days ago. I will give you chapter and verse, I don't want anyone getting upset and start swearing or anything like that.

(Proverbs 18:21) "Death and Life are in the power of the Tongue..."
How is death and life at the power of your tongue? Can you speak life into a sinners spirit? Can you also speak death? I know a man, that while he was young his Grandmother spoke openly that this man wasn't going to be anything great, he was going to be just plain ordinary, he wasn't going to amount to anything special. That man struggled with trying better himself. In my opinion, his Grandmother unknowingly spoke that into the spirit realm and a spirit of rejection took over him, you can laugh and think its a joke but its very real. When your saved Acts 2:38, your no longer a creature of this flesh, you can't think in the flesh for its an enemy of God. (Romans 8:7) Jesus came and uprooted there carnal ways of church, they had no answers for the spiritual. He came as one that had authority (Matthew 7:29), the Bible says "the gift blindeth the wise" (Exodus 23:8), there may be some here that is going to misunderstand me, but, hey thats America. God giving you his spirit was in no way to make you lazy, or to think that your going to slide into heaven, the fool doesn't err therein.

(Mark 16:17) the first thing it mentions "they shall cast out devils" when was the last time you fought a devil praying over someone? I was raised in the UPCI church, I lived through the split from UPC to the Holiness movement, and now the WPF. Please understand, I believe in Holiness, my family we dress holy, live holy, all that, but your sleeves will send you to hell faster than you'll go to heaven! I just preached at a church and the church was bound with 2 main spirits being in control, for the sake of time devils were present at the altar, the Pastor struggled with spirits, and this is a UPCI church! I mentioned Verbal Bean, if he was around today he would be made fun of, called looney, you hear me, 90% of what you deal with in the physical a spiritual activity. You want me to call out this stuff Esaias, there is divorce, pornography, depression, bi-polar, hatred, fornication, homosexuality, adultery, Women preachers, child molestors, need I go on, these are spirits in control of a saint. As the church we go after these sins like its physical, yet we need to understand a spirit spoke this into their ears, and they gave ear to it and then all of a sudden there in sin. Popular church, famous Pastor dies strong on holiness, the church votes his wife as the Pastor (spirit of Perversion) then they vote a man in as Pastor, he's caught in his office in adultery!!! That spirit wasn't conquered and that spirit took control and wrecked that assembly.
(Daniel 10:13) ...Prince of Persia withstood me..." was that a physical prince withstanding an angel of GOD??? Do you know the prince spirit in your area, I had an elder encourage me to find out what the prince spirit is in my area. I obeyed my elder and I asked God to reveal it to me, the next day I had a witch come to my house, don't tell me this isn't real, what battle are we battling? This kingdom is not a physical kingdom, its 100% spiritual, we need to start treating it like one, your migraines, sleepless nights, digestive problems are spiritual problems not just getting old.

I have a question, Job chapters 1 &2 speaks of Satan being with the sons of God.
1- How did he get there?
2-Why was God the only one who recognized him?