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Old 08-05-2019, 03:27 PM
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NT verses about who Jesus was/is

God will be born on the earth as a Son
OT … Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6
NT … Matthew 1:23, Luke 1:35, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16

Father God and Jesus Christ both have the same names/titles
Lord ------------ Genesis 17:1 - Luke 2:11, etc.
Lord of hosts --- Malachi 2:14 - see Zechariah 14:16
Lord of glory --- Psalm 24:10 -- 1 Corinthians 2:8
Savior ---------- Isaiah 60:16 - Titus 2:13, etc.
Redeemer -------- Isaiah 49:26 - Galatians 3:13
I AM ------------ Exodus 3:14 -- John 8:24, etc.
Rock ------------ Isaiah 44:8 -- 1 Corinthians 10:4
King ------------ Psalm 74:12 -- Revelation 19:16
First and Last -- Isaiah 44:6 -- Rev.2:8, Rev.22:13
Alpha and Omega - See Rev.21:6 - Rev.22:13
Beginning and End See Rev.21:6 - Rev.22:13
compare --------- Isaiah 45:23 - Philippians 2:10-11


Jesus claimed to be God
Matthew 4:7

Jesus claimed to be “I AM”
(which is God’s name “forever”: see Exodus 3:14-15)
John 4:26, John 8:24, John 8:28, John 8:58, John 13:19,
John 18:6, John 18:8

In the original Greek ...
there is no “he” after “I AM” in any of the verses above!

And Jesus also hints that He is the great “I AM”:
John 6:35, John 6:51, John 8:12, John 10:7, John 10:11, John 11:25,
John 14:6, John 15:1


Jesus was the exact image of Father God
2 Corinthians 4:4, Hebrews 1:3, Philippians 2:6, Colossians 1:15,
Colossians 1:19, Colossians 2:9, John 14:9, 1 Timothy 3:16


Jesus claimed equality with Father God
John 5:18, John 5:23, John 10:30, John 10:33, John 10:36,
John 10:38, John 14:9, John 17:22, John 20:28-29


Others claimed Jesus was God, or equal to Father God
John 1:1-2 (see Rev.19:13), John 14:11, John 20:28, Acts 7:59,
Romans 9:5, Philippians 2:10-11, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:8-13,
1 John 5:20, Jude 4


Jesus was the Creator of all things
John 1:3, John 1:10, Acts 3:15, Acts 10:37, 1 Corinthians 8:6,
Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, Hebrews 1:8-11


Jesus is the Sustainer of all things now
Colossians 1:17, Hebrews 1:3

Jesus had total power and authority over everything and everybody
Matthew 4:24, Matthew 8:16, Matthew 8:26, Luke 4:40-41, etc.

Jesus is the Giver of eternal life
John 4:14, John 5:21, John 6:27, John 10:27-28, John 11:25,
John 14:6, John 17:2, Hebrews 5:9, 1 John 1:1-2, 1 John 5:20


Many people called Jesus “the Son of God”
The Jews taught that “Son of God” and “Messiah”
signified equality with Father God:
John 1:41, John 4:25, Matthew 26:63
(and Matthew 16:16, John 20:31)

Therefore, the Jews taught Messiah = Christ = Son of God
Matthew 27:43, Luke 22:70, Matthew 14:33, Mark 1:1,
Luke 4:41, John 1:34, Acts 8:37, Hebrews 4:14

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Old 08-05-2019, 05:20 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is

Amen!!! Jesus is God.

The Trinity teaches that Jesus is a person of the Godhead, but Oneness, which is what most people believe in here, including me, teaches that Jesus is God himself manifested in flesh.

When Jesus said "My Father" he was referring to the one who created the incarnation: the Holy Spirit, which is God himself. He could talk like that because he was 100% man. The Father, which is God, was fully inside that biological man. That's why he said that if you see him, you see the Father. He is the visible image of the Father, and the full expression of his nature. The term Son of God or Son of Man refers to the incarnation: God manifested in flesh.

It had to be 100% man, so he could take our place, and 100% God, so he could be without sin. Legit man: a human will, thirsty, pain of the suffering, the cross, and death, but without sin. It is like if God, voluntarily, submitted himself to the limitation of a human being in the incarnation.

Brother, there is a lot of material out there about this. The Oneness doctrine was the majority doctrine in the first and second generation of Christianity.

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Old 08-05-2019, 07:36 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is

Matt 4:7... really?
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Is this the thread that is supposed to show all 3 persons being God in like 20 verses? I dont see one here. I see plenty that Jesus is identified as being God.

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Is this the thread that is supposed to show all 3 persons being God in like 20 verses? I dont see one here. I see plenty that Jesus is identified as being God.
Yes, sorry, but I still haven't found them on my computer.
Meanwhile, I could send you a NT. lol
Give me 10 minutes (to find them, not to send a NT).

Meanwhile ...
Oneness claims Jesus is God, and there is no Father God.
And no God the Holy Spirit.
Correct?
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Old 08-07-2019, 01:19 PM
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Yes, sorry, but I still haven't found them on my computer.
Meanwhile, I could send you a NT. lol
Give me 10 minutes (to find them, not to send a NT).

Meanwhile ...
Oneness claims Jesus is God, and there is no Father God.
And no God the Holy Spirit.
Correct?
We don't deny God the Father of the incarnation (Son of God). We don't deny either God as the Father of all creation.

We clearly say that the Holy Spirit is God himself, operating. God is Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord:

[2Co 3:17 KJV] 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. (find me one verse where Paul refers to the Lord that is not referring to Jesus Christ).

[Jhn 4:24 KJV] 24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

I don't think you fully know what Oneness believe.
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We don't deny God the Father of the incarnation (Son of God). We don't deny either God as the Father of all creation.

We clearly say that the Holy Spirit is God himself, operating. God is Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Lord:

[2Co 3:17 KJV] 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty. (find me one verse where Paul refers to the Lord that is not referring to Jesus Christ).

[Jhn 4:24 KJV] 24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

I don't think you fully know what Oneness believe.
I don't think Oneness truly know what they believe.
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I don't think Oneness truly know what they believe.
I guess it is perception based on personal experience.
Brother, if you ask a Trinitarian, who is not a theologian, to explain it to you, you get an explanation of polytheism or practical oneness for prayer/singing/communicating to/about God.
But I leave it like this because it is a subjective topic.

My point is that obviously BCsenior doesn’t know what we believe and he should check it out before starting a discussion, so we can have a good debate.
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I guess it is perception based on personal experience.
Brother, if you ask a Trinitarian, who is not a theologian, to explain it to you, you get an explanation of polytheism or practical oneness for prayer/singing/communicating to/about God.
But I leave it like this because it is a subjective topic.

My point is that obviously BCsenior doesn’t know what we believe and he should check it out before starting a discussion, so we can have a good debate.
Ordinary Oneness church going most of them all they tell can tell you is Jesus is the Father, and Acts 2:38.
Your guys have some well versed pastors who along with your Theologians seem to explain it.
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I guess it is perception based on personal experience.
Brother, if you ask a Trinitarian, who is not a theologian, to explain it to you, you get an explanation of polytheism or practical oneness for prayer/singing/communicating to/about God.
But I leave it like this because it is a subjective topic.

My point is that obviously BCsenior doesn’t know what we believe and he should check it out before starting a discussion, so we can have a good debate.
True story. I witnessed a Trinitarian who explained the trinity to a mutual friend of ours. Now the man that he was explaining it to had asked for help to understand it (the trinity). The man giving the explanation was a Bible scholar.

So this Bible scholar patiently explained to the man (who was seated);

1: now aren’t you a son? The man replies “of course “.

2. Now aren’t you also a father? The man says yes, I have a daughter.

3.Now aren’t you a husband? Yes, I am a married man.

The scholar says, “don’t you see? That is like the trinity!”

I said, but wait. How many persons are sitting in that chair?

The scholar didn’t hesitate. “There is one”. I said you have just explained oneness!

I have heard similar ways of explaining oneness my whole life.
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