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Old 03-14-2019, 09:53 AM
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there is zero benefit to vaccines, unless you're intent on creating a race of autistic chronically ill brain dead eloi.

I believe i recently posted where italy (or was it spain?) that tested one combovaccine and found it had literally no antigens, and they are still trying to figure out exactly what it is and does.

Outside of surgery and physical rehabitation you might as well wave chickens around as depend on "modern medicine".
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:19 AM
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Hello, aegsm76!

How do you feel about flu shots? I've never questioned whether my children would receive the vaccines for all of the childhood diseases, but I have never strongly considered whether they should receive a flu shot.

Thank you in advance for your time.
I only took flu shots when it was mandated by company policy.
And even then it is a roll of the dice whether it works or not.
If your child has a low immune system and is exposed to the public on a regular basis, then it can help.
If the vaccine was made for the correct flu type!
If someone is not exposed to the public (elderly who are shut-ins, for example) then the shot is not worth it, in my opinion.
There is a lot of good reading on the web about how flu shots are "made" and how much good they do.
Here is a short one:
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https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321207.php
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I only took flu shots when it was mandated by company policy.
And even then it is a roll of the dice whether it works or not.
If your child has a low immune system and is exposed to the public on a regular basis, then it can help.
If the vaccine was made for the correct flu type!
If someone is not exposed to the public (elderly who are shut-ins, for example) then the shot is not worth it, in my opinion.
There is a lot of good reading on the web about how flu shots are "made" and how much good they do.
Here is a short one:
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https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321207.php
Thank you for the insight; much appreciated!
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Old 03-14-2019, 11:39 AM
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E - have you ever heard of Polio?
Have you ever experienced the dread that parents felt before the polio vaccine came out?
I suppose the Rabies vaccine for dogs and cats is also rubbish.
The science behind vaccines is very sound.
I have spent 30+ years in the healthcare field, so I have some knowledge.
1. Polio was declining PRIOR to the vaccine's introduction.

2. Most if not all cases of polio in the West are CAUSED by certain polio vaccines (oral, live vaccine being the big culprit).

3. Polio was often RENAMED during the introductory vaccine era as several types of "meningitis" etc.

4. You appeal to fear and emotion, a common tactic among vaccine sellers (like pediatricians), and a strong indicator something is amiss.

5. My dad's career for the last twenty some odd years of his life was in the medical field, AT several hospitals, working with leading physicians in his particular field, including having a role in teaching physicians certain new cutting edge techniques (and co-authoring a paper with Michael DeBakey, MD) and he made me promise that NO MATTER WHAT I WOULD NEVER EVER EVER CALL A DOCTOR OR AMBULANCE FOR HIM because he would rather literally die on a street corner than put himself under the care of the "medical community". This was ENTIRELY due to his interactions with "the healthcare community", he trusted them even less than I do. So an appeal to your experience in the healthcare field holds no weight with me. Were those 30 years involved in vaccine research? I've been researching this ever since my first conversation with my firstborn's pediatrician, actually earlier. That would be about 26 years, going on 27 now.

The science behind vaccines is very sound? Sure it is, just not in the direction you think. It serves a different purpose than the one you've been led to believe. Like most things society tries to sell us.
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Good morning, Esaias!

I'm not one that thinks our government would never lie to us, nor do I think the pharmaceutical companies are above cutting corners to make a buck, but to be sure I'm understanding your statement, are you saying that vaccines themselves have no benefit, that our system as a whole is broken, or both?
The system is working exactly as designed and intended. It's just that the design and intention is not "the eradication of disease and spreading of better health to all".

People literally are now at the point where they will allow people to routinely inject Lord only knows what into their children, just because some guy in a white coat said they should. So, looks like the Eloi are proliferating.
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Old 03-14-2019, 12:09 PM
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coming up to speed on the vaccination disaster

Dr. Suzanne Humphries is one who has addressed many of the specifics of the history of smallpox, polio, etc.

(Wikipedia is an especially poor source on issues like this one.)

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1. Polio was declining PRIOR to the vaccine's introduction.
Give me the link.
Here is one that refutes your statement.
https://ourworldindata.org/polio


2. Most if not all cases of polio in the West are CAUSED by certain polio vaccines (oral, live vaccine being the big culprit).
Again give me a link.
We do not even have enough polio cases in the West to be statistically significant
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio


3. Polio was often RENAMED during the introductory vaccine era as several types of "meningitis" etc.
Again give me a link.
Although I am not sure what this has to do with your argument.


4. You appeal to fear and emotion, a common tactic among vaccine sellers (like pediatricians), and a strong indicator something is amiss.
I have friends and family members who had polio, as they were born before the development of the vaccine.
I have spoken with many older people who told me of the fear they had before the vaccine.
So do not try to "frame" me as appealing to fear and emotion.
What you do not realize is that I am (mostly) on the side of those who believe there is something amiss with the vaccine industry.
But the science is sound.


5. My dad's career for the last twenty some odd years of his life was in the medical field, AT several hospitals, working with leading physicians in his particular field, including having a role in teaching physicians certain new cutting edge techniques (and co-authoring a paper with Michael DeBakey, MD) and he made me promise that NO MATTER WHAT I WOULD NEVER EVER EVER CALL A DOCTOR OR AMBULANCE FOR HIM because he would rather literally die on a street corner than put himself under the care of the "medical community". This was ENTIRELY due to his interactions with "the healthcare community", he trusted them even less than I do. So an appeal to your experience in the healthcare field holds no weight with me. Were those 30 years involved in vaccine research? I've been researching this ever since my first conversation with my firstborn's pediatrician, actually earlier. That would be about 26 years, going on 27 now.
I could accuse you of appealing to fear and emotion here!
Good for you for your research!
However, I am as intelligent as you and I have reached a different conclusion.


The science behind vaccines is very sound? Sure it is, just not in the direction you think. It serves a different purpose than the one you've been led to believe. Like most things society tries to sell us.
E - I notice you did not even address the rabies vaccine for dogs and cats.
Sort of undercuts your argument doesn't it.


Also, I did not even go into the Smallpox issue.
But here is a link for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
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Edward Jenner discovered in 1798 that vaccination could prevent smallpox

Amazing that the conspiracy reached all the way back to 1798.
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E - I notice you did not even address the rabies vaccine for dogs and cats.
Sort of undercuts your argument doesn't it.
The rabies vaccine is a scam.

Also, I did not even go into the Smallpox
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But here is a link for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
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Edward Jenner discovered in 1798 that vaccination could prevent smallpox

Amazing that the conspiracy reached all the way back to 1798.
Wikipedia, eh? Well then, how about NPR, reporting on a med journal article revealing a few interesting factoids:

1. Jenner's "milkmaid story" is a fabricated lie.
2. Lots of people, including ordinary farmers and peasants, were "inoculating" themselves and their children against smallpox by exposing themselves and their children to... wait for it... smallpox. Just like when I was a kid, and a neighbor's kid got chickenpox, me and literally 20 other kids were dropped off at the kid's house to play, in hopes we'd get a mild case of chickenpox and then be immune for life.
3. This self-exposure and natural inoculation also was found among some farmers who got cowpox - they were then immune to smallpox. If you got cowpox, you couldn't get smallpox. Cowpox was relatively benign, so... 2 and 2 make 4, get exposed to cowpox to develop a natural immunity to smallpox.

Of course, there are other sources that claim cowpox exposure does NOT AT ALL lead to smallpox exposure.

Oh, did you know Jenner never went to any medical school? He just called himself a "surgeon" and "apothecary". After 20 years and pressure (ridicule) from real doctors, he bought some letters to put after his name for 15 pounds. He vaccinated his first son twice, who then later on died of tuberculosis. Jenner refused vaccination for his other son. (GASP! Jenner, the "father of vaccination", was a VACCINE REFUSER!!!)

OH WAIT THERE'S MORE! He claimed his vaccination program was both perfectly safe, and granted life long immunity. It was not, and did not. The immunity claims were revised several times, until it was down to "6-12 months immunity" by 1914.

There were numerous smallpox outbreaks among those who had been vaccinated, throughout the 1800s. And, the number of people who died from the vaccine was approximately equal to the number of people of died from the disease without the vaccine. EXCEPT FOR CHILDREN UNDER FIVE, in which case those who died from the vaccine grossly outnumbered those who died from the disease without being vaccinated.

Smallpox was gotten rid of via IMPROVED SANITATION (see the history of Leicester, which STOPPED CHILDREN'S VACCINATIONS but experienced a far lower rate of small pox than many other areas - due to improved sanitation). This was reported in 1914, by the way.

There were three major smallpox outbreaks in England in the mid-late 19th century, each following a vaccination campaign. Rates dropped when the campaigns were suspended or canceled. Funny about that.

Let's talk about polio. Prior to the introduction of polio vaccine, aseptic meningitis was diagnosed as POLIO. Once the vaccine was introduced, aseptic mengitis was diagnosed separately. Thus, they could say "Oh, lookie, polio has declined since we introduced the polio vaccine!" It's called LYING WITH STATISTICS.

George Bernard Shaw (yes, THAT George Bernard Shaw) observed the same thing with smallpox, by the way, noting that if a person had received smallpox vaccination, but came down with smallpox, they were AUTOMATICALLY DIAGNOSED AS SUFFERING "pustular eczema" or some other disease, "anything but smallpox".

Vaccines are a sick, bad, joke. "Conspiracy", you say? The thinkers who provide intellectual direction to the world, like Huxley, Wells, Clarke, Bacon, and numerous others, have FOR CENTURIES been telling everyone that society is managed by professional elites using lies, deception, subterfuge, money, "science", "medicine", war, politics, newspapers, books, plays, radio, movies, television, pop music and other entertainments, religion, etc to CONTROL AND MANIPULATE the "human resources" of the planet towards objectives that YOU AND I are not privy to, nor are we allowed to have a say so in it.

Wake up, free yourself from THE BEAST, get out of BABYLON.
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Rabies vaccine scam:

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...s-vaccination/
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Analyses of the so-called "studies that debunk vaccine-autism connection":

http://www.fourteenstudies.org/studies.html
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